Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 13:55 UTC
Internet Explorer Yesterday, Microsoft dropped a bomb by announcing that all versions of Windows 7 released in Europe would ship without Internet Explorer pre-installed. This was in answer to the EU antitrust investigation currently under way regarding possible illegal bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows. The first reactions to this news are coming in, with Opera and the EU both lamenting the move.
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So Amusing...
by juvenile4909 on Fri 12th Jun 2009 14:29 UTC
juvenile4909
Member since:
2007-08-04

You complain at the dinner table because you always get the chair with the broken arm. Momma decides we all eat on the floor and you are still unhappy. Why? Because you want a choice of what chair to choose before dinner.

Opera is a wuss, stand up, compete and make a great product that ppl would like to use. Even if you cant compete with IE or FF directly, there is still a browser market and you are still ahead of other browsers that have been created.

Bottomline is Opera doesnt deliver and ppl will choose what they want regardless of how you bundle it. It's a game of Chess and MS has Opera and the EU in check right now.

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RE: So Amusing...
by libray on Fri 12th Jun 2009 14:46 in reply to "So Amusing..."
libray Member since:
2005-08-27

On new windows installs, I use IE to first download either Opera or Firefox depending on my mood then I switch. I know there are other choices and take advantage of that. Back in the early days of the consumer ridden internet, vendors such as Prodigy and AOL paid MS to include their software as a menu of sorts. I didn't like that in the end but it made things simpler.

We thankfully don't have that anymore and MS does not have to include any browser, nor should they preinstall links to any mom-and-pop browser that thinks MS is unfair by providing IE. I'm an opera fan, but this crying I'm not in favor of.

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RE: So Amusing...
by Lennie on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 in reply to "So Amusing..."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

This is not (only ?) directly about sales for Opera, what they really want is that people use a standardscompliant and up to date browser, so Opera doesn't have to support all the crap websites out there because they only take into account IE6 or something along those lines. IE8 is a bit better, but still only properly supports things which other browsers have had for years.

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RE[2]: So Amusing...
by kaiwai on Sat 13th Jun 2009 05:08 in reply to "RE: So Amusing..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

This is not (only ?) directly about sales for Opera, what they really want is that people use a standardscompliant and up to date browser, so Opera doesn't have to support all the crap websites out there because they only take into account IE6 or something along those lines. IE8 is a bit better, but still only properly supports things which other browsers have had for years.


If it is about standards support then why not force Microsoft to remove all backwards compatibility, proprietary technology, extensions and only support the specifications. Part of the specifications is the speeding up of HTML 5.0 becoming an official standard - why is it taking so long to release what should be an evolutionary step up? As much as I hate Microsoft, the W3C are as much to blame with them taking so long when it comes to getting these pie in the sky ideas out into a real and finalised standard.

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RE: So Amusing...
by JAlexoid on Sat 13th Jun 2009 10:41 in reply to "So Amusing..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

FYI: A government and law enforcement institutions WILL NEVER be in check.

You complain at the dinner table because you always get the chair with the broken arm. Momma decides we all eat on the floor and you are still unhappy. Why? Because you want a choice of what chair to choose before dinner.

Extremely bad analogy. Since in that case Momma will be telling you each time that you have to sit in the wost chair initially. And you don't know that there is a good one right around the corner.
Later Momma says, unilaterally, that since you wanted a choice of chairs, you will be getting none.(Does that seem fair in any way?)
That is why Daddy, the EC, wants Momma to lineup the best chairs at the entrance to the dining room, so anyone entering can pick the one he/she likes.

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