Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 13:55 UTC
Internet Explorer Yesterday, Microsoft dropped a bomb by announcing that all versions of Windows 7 released in Europe would ship without Internet Explorer pre-installed. This was in answer to the EU antitrust investigation currently under way regarding possible illegal bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows. The first reactions to this news are coming in, with Opera and the EU both lamenting the move.
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MS bashing is getting bit hypocratic nowdays...
What did EU achieved??
Why cant we unbundle konqueror from KDE?? try apt-get remove konqueror and see what happens....
Why there is google as "default" search engine on Opera...
Why does "chrome" installs unremovable googleupdater service....??

MS bashing is no good for you people, who are already living in ivory towars...Please come to realistic world of "business"....

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Jokel Member since:


KDE is no OS. It's a desktop environment. If you don't like konqueror you can use Gnome. That's also a desktop environment on the same OS. You keep the same OS and get another browser.

Try that with the standard desktop environment on Windows.

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anda_skoa Member since:

Why cant we unbundle konqueror from KDE?? try apt-get remove konqueror and see what happens....

Well, aptitude -s remove konqueror (here on Debian/Unstable) says it would remove konqueror, konq-plugins (since it depends on konqueror) and leave the recommendation of kipi-plugins unresolved.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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jabbotts Member since:

Your not being forced to use KDE window manager and your Linux install media outside of liveCD builds include a choice of browsers for you to select from. Even with liveCDs Konqueror is rarely the only one there.

In the end though, your being forced to use IE window manager but you can always change your KDE to another window manager or even have multiple on the same system. KDE apps run fine under Gnome and Enlightenment, Gnome apps run fine under KDE and Enlightenment. Heck, Eterm is my prefered cli interface and I run that under KDE without more than the Eterm dependencies from Enlightenment isntalled.

But my Windows installs always lock me into an IE window manager which means the best IE removal can do is hide the icon.

(yup, I've tried other window managers but only IE window manager gets full use of Windows.)

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l3v1 Member since:

Why cant we unbundle konqueror from KDE?? try apt-get remove konqueror and see what happens....

Now that comes pretty close to funny ;)

Let me put it this way. The day when I can get a base install of Windows with the kernel and <100 megs of working a base system and tools, choosing to install a desktop environment (all with similar levels of functionality), apps, and some browser(s) at some point, well, on that day I'll stop smiling about "remove konq from kde" ideas ;)

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reez Member since:

No offense, but I think you don't get the point here. The major problem is not that Microsoft is really doing evil.

It's about Microsoft being to big for an open market. Every company with over 50% (or less, depending on the alternatives) of market share holds a monopole, which is bad in the economical system we have these days. Even, if I'm not an MS fan (more a hater) I have to say it's not Microsofts this time. They do, what every company does: They grow.

(Usually a too big company splits sooner or later, but MS being the biggest is too strong)

But as our market system isn't suited for such big companies the EU needs to do everything to prevent unfair advantages. That's their job.

There are no fixed rules for how to deal with every kind of monopole/type of company, because that's simply not possible when there are always new ways to get money and build a company.

That's the reason for these strange things happening. The EU has to do something, because it is one of their jobs, but nobody has ever done such a thing with a market leader in operating systems/browsers.

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