Linked by David Adams on Fri 12th Jun 2009 14:55 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Mono Project A Mono developer responds to a request for "a calm presentation of why Mono is desirable, why it is not a threat, and why it should be included in Ubuntu by default" answering the three questions individually, then attempting to address general anti-Mono sentiment.
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Comment by robmv
by robmv on Fri 12th Jun 2009 16:25 UTC
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2006-08-12

Mono is covered by the OIN, as with most other major Free apps. Patent attacks against Mono carry the same risk to attackers as attacks against any other OIN entrant. Attacks against Mono would risk patent “world war”, which Microsoft cannot win. Such an action would harm their business – and lose them money.


Nuclear weapons are not a threat because we have them too? this is not a good way to defend Mono, There is a risk, What if OIN just disappear 10 years from today and we based important parts of our OSS on Mono?

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RE: Comment by robmv
by jpobst on Fri 12th Jun 2009 16:44 in reply to "Comment by robmv"
jpobst Member since:
2006-09-26

What if OIN just disappear 10 years from today and we based important parts of our OSS on Mono?


In ~10 years, any supposed patents on .Net will have expired, as well as the majority of OIN's currently useful patents. ;)

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RE: Comment by robmv
by Soulbender on Sat 13th Jun 2009 09:26 in reply to "Comment by robmv"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Gee, I hope you're not using Firefox or Samba or Wine or Dosbox or listen to MP3's or use any of the other of countless applications that may (or actually do) infringe on patents held by MS or other companies.

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RE: Comment by robmv
by dagw on Sat 13th Jun 2009 22:01 in reply to "Comment by robmv"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

What if OIN just disappear 10 years from today and we based important parts of our OSS on Mono?

Realistically how important things will ever be written in mono, and how hard will it be to replace them.

Let's say that 10 years down the road all the core GNOME apps are written in Mono and all of a sudden Microsoft comes up with an ironclad legal argument that forces all distros to remove mono by their next release. This seems like a reasonable worst case scenario. How much effect would the really have on OSS?

Personally I think it would be very little. Distros would drop Gnome for a release cycle and only ship KDE/XFCE/whatever other non-gnome desktop is around in 10 years time. The Gnome team spend the next 6 month re-writing their important mono bits in some other language and repackage. Distros would pick up this new Gnome and the gnome team would spend the next release cycle making sure everything works just as well as it did before they removed mono. All in all a minor inconvenience for a few developers and users, but no real damage done.

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RE: Comment by robmv
by redbeard on Sun 14th Jun 2009 06:46 in reply to "Comment by robmv"
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2006-03-11

"Mono is covered by the OIN, as with most other major Free apps. Patent attacks against Mono carry the same risk to attackers as attacks against any other OIN entrant. Attacks against Mono would risk patent “world war”, which Microsoft cannot win. Such an action would harm their business – and lose them money.


Nuclear weapons are not a threat because we have them too? this is not a good way to defend Mono, There is a risk, What if OIN just disappear 10 years from today and we based important parts of our OSS on Mono?
"

The other issue is that MS doesn't have to be the one to attack on the patent front. Based on past history of the use of third parties for lots of things, does anybody not think that a third party might hold a currently unknown patent on mono/.net ip? This third party could then sue MS as well as some other big Linux/mono end users/distributors. MS avoids the nuclear issue and plays victim and settles, as they have plenty of cash.

Mono users on the other hand . . . well they are out of luck. MS now can points to this incident saying see, we told Linux can't protect you but we can. The PHB won't take a chance again on this linux stuff. . .

MS grins and the chairs in Ballmer's office breath a little easier.

BTW I don't own a tin foil cap . . . 8^)

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RE: Comment by robmv
by voidspace on Mon 15th Jun 2009 14:20 in reply to "Comment by robmv"
voidspace Member since:
2008-06-25

The only risk to Mono is the same risk there is to Parrot, Linux or indeed any major project.

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