Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 13:55 UTC
Internet Explorer Yesterday, Microsoft dropped a bomb by announcing that all versions of Windows 7 released in Europe would ship without Internet Explorer pre-installed. This was in answer to the EU antitrust investigation currently under way regarding possible illegal bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows. The first reactions to this news are coming in, with Opera and the EU both lamenting the move.
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This is ridiculous
by ringham on Fri 12th Jun 2009 17:17 UTC
ringham
Member since:
2006-03-23

Opera wants to force Microsoft to essentially promote their product. WTF? That's so unbelievably childish of them. Especially considering their poor market share these days - Opera is on it's way out, in my opinion. I know I sure as hell won't use it.

Frankly, I think it's ridiculous that Microsoft had to come to this point (unbundling IE8 with Windows 7). So is Apple going to be forced to unbundle Safari? Is Ubuntu going to be forced to unbundle Firefox? Of course not. So where is the fairness in that? And don't give me the FOSS party line - "well its different because Microsoft has a monopoly". Bullshit. It's not different at all. Firefox is doing fine, competing on it's own. So is Safari.

People do have a choice. It's unbelievably easy to download a different browser using IE if that's what you want to do.

Companies shouldn't be forced to inform users about the choices they have. Users are grownups. Users can find out for themselves. But it's never enough for the virus-like FOSSers. It's always about them. What's next, collective software development farms?

In what other industry can a company be forced to promote it's COMPETITOR'S product? It's bullshit that Microsoft is forced into this position.

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RE: This is ridiculous
by ssa2204 on Fri 12th Jun 2009 17:59 in reply to "This is ridiculous"
ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22

I really can not think of any examples, at least not recently where a company was expected to promote a competitor directly. With Opera's response, it shows even more clearly their desire to get market share through legislation rather than innovation. All this can do is open a floodgate for companies to simply complain their way into the market. And yes Firefox is extremely relevant in that it shows exactly how Opera's argument has failed, their marketing has failed, and their product has failed.

What is interesting is the overall response to Opera has not been positive, even among many who never seemed to be friendly towards anything Microsoft related. The importance here is that once again Opera fails in public relations and marketing.

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RE: This is ridiculous
by Hae-Yu on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:30 in reply to "This is ridiculous"
Hae-Yu Member since:
2006-01-12

I agree with your tone and conclusion, but Opera isn't FOSS. They are a for-profit, private company with closed-source product. You can think of Opera Software like all the other companies at the end of their run that tried to litigate a future, but failed.

I think Microsoft should bundle IE, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome and allow the user to select which one to install. Opera can be safely ignored since its global market share is less than 1% regardless of which metric you use. If questioned why, MS can simply say that browsers with less than 1% are inconsequential; where do they draw the line and include every Tom, Dick and Harry browser?

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RE: This is ridiculous - not the same
by jabbotts on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:45 in reply to "This is ridiculous"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Open your osX applications folder, select Safari, press delete; it's uninstalled.

Open the Ubuntu package manager, uncheck Firefox, put a check beside your browser of choice; problem solved.

If you forgo the liveCD for a full install disk such as Mandriva Free or Powerpack, you'll have a full list of browsers to choose at the very start; no issue there.

BSDs.. choices yet again during install.

Show me the IE uninstall button that removes more than the icon please.

It's not just a FOSS complaint. 95% market share makes a company a monopoly regardless of the industry or product line. That's not software hippie's making noise; that's law. It's not even inherently illegal unless that legal monopoly status is used for unfair advantage against competitors. "Unfair advantage" being decided by courts of law though the US courts threw out the penalties in the case of Microsoft being found guilty.

As for "it's unbelievably easy", your assuming consumers realize they have any choice at all. When you can walk into your local computer-mart and see the same hardware with three different OS platforms on display; come back and tell us about consumers being educated and having choice.

"In what other industry can a company be forced to promote it's COMPETITOR'S product? It's bullshit that Microsoft is forced into this position."

When you are legally found to be the monopoly position, laws become applicable too you which are not applicable to non-monopoly status. These protect the consumer and the market. Again, this is not "stupid FOSS hippies" thing, it's a legal thing.

Get over your FOSS hate for a second and think this through a little further.

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MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

"Removes more than the icon"?
Why?
The dlls on which IE is built are part of the Windows API. Are you actually demanding that API that third party apps rely on be removed?

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ringham Member since:
2006-03-23

Boohoo - you can't uninstall the IE DLLs. Go cry about it. Who cares? It's not acting as a browser anymore and it won't ask to be your default browser after that point. What's the problem? Is it too much for you to handle, having evil Microsoft code dirtying up your Windows installation?


"When you are legally found to be the monopoly position, laws become applicable too you which are not applicable to non-monopoly status. These protect the consumer and the market. Again, this is not "stupid FOSS hippies" thing, it's a legal thing."



Last I knew companies that are monopolies still are not legally obilgated to promote competitors products.


"As for "it's unbelievably easy", your assuming consumers realize they have any choice at all. When you can walk into your local computer-mart and see the same hardware with three different OS platforms on display; come back and tell us about consumers being educated and having choice. "



Again - boohoo. People need to take responsibility for and educate themselves. I'm tired of this sense of entitlement - that companies should HAVE to hold peoples hands. They shouldn't.

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