Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 13:55 UTC
Internet Explorer Yesterday, Microsoft dropped a bomb by announcing that all versions of Windows 7 released in Europe would ship without Internet Explorer pre-installed. This was in answer to the EU antitrust investigation currently under way regarding possible illegal bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows. The first reactions to this news are coming in, with Opera and the EU both lamenting the move.
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RE[5]: What does this tell us?
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:41 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: What does this tell us?"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

But you keep missing that point, and mistaking my strong disagreement with your cavalier, overconfident, and complacent attitude, based upon my substantial first hand experience, with "arrogance".


So, your first-hand experience is somehow magically more qualified than mine? I never talk about my private life or my line of work, so you have no idea what I do, what my experience is, and so on.

Your experience could very well be true, but it's not even all that relevant to this story, most of all because you're American, and this story deals solely with Europe.

Thom, there is a whole world on the web that your experience obviously does not bring you into contact with. And it is one which Microsoft cares a lot more about than what you use to browse Twitter and Blogspot.


This is my last post in this discussion with you, because I'm pretty fed up with your condescending and arrogant attitude. I'm trying to have a fair discussion with you here, but you keep trying to make all sorts of statements about my experience and browsing habits that you have no knowledge of. This is very, very annoying and detracts from your arguments.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I never talk about my private life or my line of work,

ROTFLMAO. I'm surprised you would say such a thing here. You regularly use OSNews as your personal blog, relate experiences 'at University' frequently, not to mention opinions on music, and pretty much anything else that most people vomit into their personal blogs... and yet you have never mentioned actually doing any support of business desktops. What conclusion would you expect us to come to? If you have all this experience, then by all means present it. I'm listening.

Your experience could very well be true,

Mighty nice of you to acknowledge the possibility that I might not be outright lying.

but it's not even all that relevant to this story, most of all because you're American, and this story deals solely with Europe.

Wow. Now *that's* arrogant. We're all in this together, pardner.

Yes, the government of my country has utterly failed to effectively deal with Microsoft. Yes, some of us are looking to your EU to help us where our own government has failed. Hopefully, now that Cthon is out of the White House, maybe folks like me won't be so humbled as to have to appeal to other countries for help.

...but you keep trying to make all sorts of statements about my experience and browsing habits that you have no knowledge of. This is very, very annoying and detracts from your arguments.

On the contrary, the fact that your "works for me" attitude does not mean that there is not still a huge and dangerous problem on the business desktop is perhaps the most significant point I am making. It is simply a point which you are choosing to deny and/or ignore.

And now I've said about all I care to say on this topic, in this thread.

Edited 2009-06-12 19:10 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

On the contrary, the fact that your "works for me" attitude does not mean that there is not still a huge and dangerous problem on the business desktop is perhaps the most significant point I am making. It is simply a point which you are choosing to deny and/or ignore.


Well, breaking my own promise, but what the heck.

This is blatantly not true. I outright acknowledged your problem, so you're lying with the above. This is what I said:

This is EXACTLY what is going on RIGHT NOW. IE is no longer "the default" browser people use. It comes installed by default - yes - but the amount of people disregarding it is huge, and growing every month. Companies will follow through, but give them some time.

You can't change this simply by snapping a finger. This takes time. Have some patience. There is no magic instant cure.


You could've made all your points without the condescending and arrogant attitude, and we would've actually contributed something meaningful to this discussion. Instead, you decided to take this opportunity - yet again - to mock me. Which is fine by me, but you aren't doing your arguments a favour with that.

Edited 2009-06-12 19:12 UTC

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