Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Debian and its clones Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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Not even true.
by albalbo on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:47 UTC
albalbo
Member since:
2006-08-25

The whole blog post is more anti-Mono nonsense. Utter, utter rubbish.

tomboy was _already_ a Recommends:. What happened was that Joss moved it to Depends: but _added_ gnote as an alternative:

http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome...

But I bet this doesn't stop people bashing another free software developer...

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RE: Not even true.
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:51 in reply to "Not even true."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The whole blog post is more anti-Mono nonsense. Utter, utter rubbish.

tomboy was _already_ a Recommends:. What happened was that Joss moved it to Depends: but _added_ gnote as an alternative:

http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome...

But I bet this doesn't stop people bashing another free software developer...



...which is exactly what the OSNews item carefully explains.

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Sorry Thom,
by DarKlajid on Fri 12th Jun 2009 21:34 in reply to "RE: Not even true."
DarKlajid Member since:
2009-03-31

that's not quite true.
Disclaimer: I'm a tomboy user and (very, very tiny) contributer. Let me just summarize your post from my pov:
You link to yet another "50MB too much" blog post that shows the pixel by pixel "ripoff" (Actually I don't have anything against GNote).
That's not the part of the news item that bugs me though. It's more that your personal opinion resonates very strongly in every line - and that's just a bad idea for several reasons.
a) I perceive this as a news site, not a personal blog.
b) The topic is already a sensitive one, you just add to the flames without more careful placed words.

Regards,
Ben

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RE: Not even true.
by pooo on Fri 12th Jun 2009 19:07 in reply to "Not even true."
pooo Member since:
2006-04-22

Dear pro-mono zealot,

What the hell are you talking about? There is nothing anti-mono in the blog post at all. That it was moved to depends is exactly the point everyone is unhappy about. You make it sound as if that is meaningless and as if no one understood that. I am totally amazed by your post.

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RE: Not even true.
by niemau on Fri 12th Jun 2009 19:08 in reply to "Not even true."
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

The whole blog post is more anti-Mono nonsense. Utter, utter rubbish.


it wasn't even blatantly anti-mono. the overarching point was: tomboy and its dependencies take up a hell of a lot more room than gnote... so why is tomboy being included as part of a default install?

and furthermore, it's debatable whether or not a note taking app really needs to be in a default install anyway.

it's hardly justification for including mono, which is so hotly debated, as part of a default install, even if there IS a suggested alternative.

i've been a debian user for six years. this is extremely aggravating.

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RE[2]: Not even true.
by robmv on Fri 12th Jun 2009 19:32 in reply to "RE: Not even true."
robmv Member since:
2006-08-12

and other distributions like Fedora are replacing Tomboy for Gnote as default (Fedora 12) because it will be nice to have a note taking application on the LiveCD and Tomboy dependencies are too much for a CD

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RE[2]: Not even true. - a humble user
by jabbotts on Sun 14th Jun 2009 03:55 in reply to "RE: Not even true."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I'm but a humble Deb user slowly learning the deeper political details of the distro; late Etch and Lenny since so my experience is limited.

For me, two things keep it from being my desktop OS along side my server OS. Wifi NIC support and dependencies. What can you do, I accept that source availability is a goal of the distro. But, I come from Mandriva where I can "urpmi konsole" and get only what is needed for KDE to push Konsole. The everything KDE (or Gnome) as a dependency of KDE (or Gnome) really turns me off as a result. I don't want all of KDE but only specific core components. Dropping 50 meg on my system to push a glorified notepad is just not going to happen. The one bit of luck in my case is that it's Gnome specific but that doesn't mean similar unnecessary dependencies are not dumping in along side my KDE desktop. Hard drive space is cheap but that doesn't justify wasting it.

This is meant to be somewhat aside the specifics of Tomboy. Crippling hardware support (my Lenny dumps support for my HP server's NIC also.. booo!) and making extraneous crap a dependency just sucks. Great distro where applicable and I'm thankful for finally taking the time to explore and now use it but these things limit where it is the applicable correct choice for me.

I do admit that there may be reasons I'm not aware of though as I'm new to the Debian world.

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