Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Debian and its clones Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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RE: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by pooo on Fri 12th Jun 2009 19:59 UTC in reply to "Rabble Rabble Rabble"
pooo
Member since:
2006-04-22

I swear people like you are just sitting in a call center in india getting paid by microsoft to post lame anti-anti-mono crap.

You know, the blog post and everyone in this thread (and in the last mono thread) have been making good reasonable points except for the mono supporters. Only people like you are calling names (without argument) and dismissing the other side without any argument.

So no matter how much you try and paint them as anti-ms zealots, the reality is it isn't the anti-mono group that is acting like irrational zealots, it is the mono fans like you.

Seriously your post is so a-s-s hole-ish and off base. Did you actually read the blog post or any of the comments?? DO YOU EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH?? Or are you just copying and pasting rebuttals from a spreadsheet put together by MS's marketing/psychology department?

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RE[2]: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by pooo on Fri 12th Jun 2009 20:04 in reply to "RE: Rabble Rabble Rabble"
pooo Member since:
2006-04-22

I'll repost an excerpt from my comment in the last thread because it seems even more appropriate here:

Why is it that most "mono haters" present reasoned arguments but mono supporters always reply with personal attacks and condescending dismissals? Not liking what you like doesn't make someone a zealot or a hater. Calling someone that when they've tried to engage in reasonable debate *does* make *you* a zealot and a hater however.

1) Mono "haters" *never* say mono sucks (although they do sometimes say it is slow which is true). They do sometimes ask the question, why do we need mono? For some reason though the reasonable and objective mono fans love to bring this up as if anyone was debating that anyway (this is known as a straw man argument, commonly used by irrational zealots to win arguments when they have no logical basis for their position)

2) Mono "haters" always bring up the fact that MS has patents on large portions of mono that have are *not* under ecma standardization. Reasonable mono fans always reply by saying that that mono is covered by ecma standardization and calling you a zealot (this is known as redirecting the question and not answering the question, also a favorite of zealots with no logical basis for their position)

3) Mono "haters" always bring up the fact that ecma standardization does not preclude MS from chargin RAND fees or requiring licensing. See 2) for response from fans.

I'll add for this particular case:

4) Mono "haters" ask why we need Tomboy when we have gnote that takes almost no space and is not controversial in any way? Mono "fans" reply with "rabble, flame, troll, hate, fud". (This again is known as not answering the question and redirecting the question in the form of character assassination).

Nice.

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RE[3]: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by jpobst on Fri 12th Jun 2009 21:07 in reply to "RE[2]: Rabble Rabble Rabble"
jpobst Member since:
2006-09-26

Why is it that most "mono haters" present reasoned arguments but mono supporters always reply with personal attacks and condescending dismissals?

Do you really want to post that on your own post in which you said this:

Seriously your post is so a-s-s hole-ish and off base. Did you actually read the blog post or any of the comments?? DO YOU EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH?? Or are you just copying and pasting rebuttals from a spreadsheet put together by MS's marketing/psychology department?

Perhaps you would also like to post it on your above post where you opened with:

Dear pro-mono zealot,

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RE[3]: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by jakesdad on Fri 12th Jun 2009 23:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Rabble Rabble Rabble"
jakesdad Member since:
2005-12-28

pot kettle, kettle pot. Glad you know each other now.

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RE[2]: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by dgoemans on Fri 12th Jun 2009 20:17 in reply to "RE: Rabble Rabble Rabble"
dgoemans Member since:
2008-08-23

Omg that is so racist. I'm actually a game developer and long time linux user who is incredibly sick of pointless anti mono rubbish. But bringing ethnicity into this is really below the belt! I've made my pro mono arguements several times, and I'm over caring. But this kind of flame mongering should be above osnews

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RE[3]: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by pooo on Fri 12th Jun 2009 20:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Rabble Rabble Rabble"
pooo Member since:
2006-04-22

Racist? You really are insane. What percentage of the world speaks English? Saying someone doesn't appear to understand anything that is being said is not racist it is very possible in general based on language barriers. Just making a snide point that you may or may not speak english based on your previous post is not racist, it is just pointing out that you obviously didn't absorb one word of the blog post or anyone else's points.

Wow.

P.S.

5) Mono "haters" point out that mono fans don't appear to be listening or playing nice at all. Reasonable and calm mono fans accuse "haters" of being racist because the "hater" uses a random example of a country where some people may not speak English.

Funny.

Edited 2009-06-12 20:27 UTC

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RE[2]: Rabble Rabble Rabble
by WereCatf on Sat 13th Jun 2009 01:53 in reply to "RE: Rabble Rabble Rabble"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Only people like you are calling names
but mono supporters always reply with personal attacks

* swear people like you are just sitting in a call center in india
* it is the mono fans like you.
* Seriously your post is so a-s-s hole-ish
* DO YOU EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH??

Personal attacks: check.
Missing the whole point of the original post: check.
Not a single snide towards anyone in the original post: check.
Make yourself look like a jerk on the internet: check.

I hope you're satisfied with your performance so far ;)

PS. I am against mono and I still think you are the one acting really bad here, not the pro-mono people.

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