Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Debian and its clones Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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Parrot
by diegoviola on Sat 13th Jun 2009 02:33 UTC
diegoviola
Member since:
2006-08-15

I think Parrot is a better alternative to Mono.

Mono is patent encumbered software and Microsoft sooner or later will react against it, they don't like Open Source to build outside Windows, if you think they do you are just being too naive. I'm sure they are just waiting for Mono to grow more so they can attack it on the right time to produce massive loses.

Parrot is a much better alternative and much better technology anyway.

http://www.parrot.org/

Edited 2009-06-13 02:37 UTC

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RE: Parrot
by WereCatf on Sat 13th Jun 2009 03:12 in reply to "Parrot"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Parrot is a much better alternative and much better technology anyway.

You should explain WHY it is oh-so-much better. Just claiming it is better won't convince people.

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RE[2]: Parrot
by diegoviola on Sat 13th Jun 2009 03:20 in reply to "RE: Parrot"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

Parrot is a much better alternative and much better technology anyway.

You should explain WHY it is oh-so-much better. Just claiming it is better won't convince people.


I don't expect people to switch to Parrot, but to me personally Parrot sounds more interesting than Mono.

Mono seems to be patent encumbered but other than that. Java and Mono seems to be stack-based, Parrot is register-based.

Parrot also supports many languages already.
http://www.parrot.org/languages

Parrot also has a FAQ where you can see how it compares against Java or Mono etc.

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RE: Parrot
by voidspace on Sat 13th Jun 2009 21:16 in reply to "Parrot"
voidspace Member since:
2008-06-25

How exactly is Mono patent encumbered? It is based on ECMA standards.

How on earth do you know that Parrot doesn't violate any software patents. Given the state of US software patent law it would be highly unlikely that is doesn't.

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RE[2]: Parrot
by Ki5IA on Sat 13th Jun 2009 22:32 in reply to "RE: Parrot"
Ki5IA Member since:
2009-06-04

And Ecma's "patent-free" requirements are satisfied with the OSP, which just means nothing:

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/osp-gpl.html
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454

Furthermore, if you ask Ecma itself, or even Mono's authors, you get nothing:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/1/0/

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RE[2]: Parrot
by lemur2 on Sun 14th Jun 2009 15:39 in reply to "RE: Parrot"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

How exactly is Mono patent encumbered? It is based on ECMA standards.


Parts of Mono, such as C# and CLI, are ECMA standards.

Other parts of Mono, such as Windows.forms, ASP.NET and ADO.NET are based on Microsoft proprietary technologies which are NOT any kind of standard at all, and which have NO Open Specification Promise, and which AFAIK are patented technologies.

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
Microsoft Compatible API
Run ASP.NET, ADO.NET, and Windows.Forms 2.0 applications without recompilation


PS: Having gone off Ubuntu and now Debian, I have just installed Fedora 11 KDE version. Very nice indeed. Ultra speedy. GTK applications look OK with no extra tweaking. Firefox 3.5 beta 4. I have even installed gnash 0.85 instead of Adobe's flash plugin, and it works a treat.

It seems to be a lot better better KDE4 implementation than Kubuntu.

Mono free.

Edited 2009-06-14 15:47 UTC

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