Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Debian and its clones Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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Mono a Mono
by ssa2204 on Sat 13th Jun 2009 10:39 UTC
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Member since:
2006-04-22

Good lord, if people are not bitching, moaning, and fighting about Linux vs Microsoft vs OSX vs BSD vs etc, now there is Mono vs anti-Mono?

Don't like Mono? Don't install it
Like Mono? Install it
Like developing with Mono? Use it
Don't like developing with Mono? Don't use it.

It really is that simple, yet it seems people would rather mindlessly get worked up about something so trivial and meaningless as this. If you really do not like something, then just use something else. I really do not understand this fanboyism that causes people to get so emotional about something so utterly stupid.

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RE: Mono a Mono
by strcpy on Sat 13th Jun 2009 10:59 in reply to "Mono a Mono"
strcpy Member since:
2009-05-20

You forgot at least

* Emacs vs. vi
* GPL vs. BSD
* GPL vs. rest
* KDE vs. Gnome
* Unix vs. Linux
* free vs. open
* open vs. proprietary
* Ubuntu vs. Fedora
* Original vs. fork
* Linux vs. OpenSolaris
* MySQL vs. PostgreSQL
* ....

This kind of banality, social skills of teenager, lack of vision and highly dialectic view of world are all very typical characteristics of the FOSS world, fostered by anonymity and public forums of the internet.

Personally I think this is especially evident among the Linux evangelists. For so many of these believers, who typically are not developers nor stake holders, Linux is something abstract; something that needs to "win" at the cost of some other abstraction that needs to "lose". The history of GNU is one big "us vs. them". Reminds of Bush or the great ideological blocks during the cold war era.

Now, go ahead and mod me down; I smile nevertheless, ;)

Edited 2009-06-13 11:12 UTC

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RE: Mono a Mono Not Trivial
by redbeard on Sat 13th Jun 2009 17:45 in reply to "Mono a Mono"
redbeard Member since:
2006-03-11

Good lord, if people are not bitching, moaning, and fighting about Linux vs Microsoft vs OSX vs BSD vs etc, now there is Mono vs anti-Mono?

Don't like Mono? Don't install it. . .


All that is fine and I would agree, but that is NOTwhat this is about. The article is about mono being included by DEFAULT. Problem is that you can't just remove mono and the associated apps as this will cause problems when doing updates due to a meta package being missing.

It is pretty much a given that there is some question as to Mono and patents, at least in the US. MS seems to suggest that it has some "IP" associated with it as it entered into a patent sharing contract with Novel. MS won't clarify the issue. Based on that alone it seems foolish to include this software by default.

How hard it is to install this mono encumber software after the base desktop is installed? It isn't . . . so why would it be necessary to include it in the base. If it is so important put a big flag on the default desktop about how to install it, problem solved and I don't have to worry about mono.

It seems like an easy answer to me.

BTW I don't want mono installed by default, it just encourages the use of it for projects. IF MS comes out and puts it in writing that mono is not patent/IP encumbered I don't have a problem using it. Although, it does seem rather bloated as is the usual with anything associated with MS. 8^)

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RE[2]: Mono a Mono Not Trivial
by dhasenan on Tue 16th Jun 2009 17:07 in reply to "RE: Mono a Mono Not Trivial"
dhasenan Member since:
2009-06-16

Okay, have it installed by default, but don't have the giant meta-package depend on it. That way, if the vast majority of people don't care, they get the benefits, but if you care and want to get rid of the offending code, you can do that easily, without major breakage.

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