Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Debian and its clones Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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RE: Parrot
by voidspace on Sat 13th Jun 2009 21:16 UTC in reply to "Parrot"
voidspace
Member since:
2008-06-25

How exactly is Mono patent encumbered? It is based on ECMA standards.

How on earth do you know that Parrot doesn't violate any software patents. Given the state of US software patent law it would be highly unlikely that is doesn't.

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RE[2]: Parrot
by Ki5IA on Sat 13th Jun 2009 22:32 in reply to "RE: Parrot"
Ki5IA Member since:
2009-06-04

And Ecma's "patent-free" requirements are satisfied with the OSP, which just means nothing:

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/osp-gpl.html
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454

Furthermore, if you ask Ecma itself, or even Mono's authors, you get nothing:

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/1/0/

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RE[2]: Parrot
by lemur2 on Sun 14th Jun 2009 15:39 in reply to "RE: Parrot"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

How exactly is Mono patent encumbered? It is based on ECMA standards.


Parts of Mono, such as C# and CLI, are ECMA standards.

Other parts of Mono, such as Windows.forms, ASP.NET and ADO.NET are based on Microsoft proprietary technologies which are NOT any kind of standard at all, and which have NO Open Specification Promise, and which AFAIK are patented technologies.

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
Microsoft Compatible API
Run ASP.NET, ADO.NET, and Windows.Forms 2.0 applications without recompilation


PS: Having gone off Ubuntu and now Debian, I have just installed Fedora 11 KDE version. Very nice indeed. Ultra speedy. GTK applications look OK with no extra tweaking. Firefox 3.5 beta 4. I have even installed gnash 0.85 instead of Adobe's flash plugin, and it works a treat.

It seems to be a lot better better KDE4 implementation than Kubuntu.

Mono free.

Edited 2009-06-14 15:47 UTC

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RE[3]: Parrot
by voidspace on Sun 14th Jun 2009 23:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Parrot"
voidspace Member since:
2008-06-25

Well you're just rehashing old ground and spreading FUD. Mono is no more patent encumbered than Parrot. 8 years of being around without even a vague hint that Microsoft considers Mono to encroach on its patents (and Microsoft needs Mono) is a record that speaks for itself - and Mono may encroach on patents from another firm, as may any product or library you rely on.

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