Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Jun 2009 18:25 UTC
Well, this is interesting. We already have a Mono item ruffling some feathers on OSNews today, but here we have the apparent news that Tomboy has become a default part of GNOME on Squeeze, the next release of Debian. Wait, what now? Update: I've updated the article with Fedora's position in all this. Read on! Update II: Josselin Mouette replies.
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This is why I am re-iterating that this is a software patent issue in general not a Mono specific issue.
It's a waste of breath to talk about software patents, generally.
I wouldn't agree. MonoDevelop is a very good IDE and supports many languages other than Mono.
We have those already, so this is not a "critical" app in any sense.
A big benefit to Mono over C++ is platform independence. Applications should be relatively simple to port to alternative architectures and operating systems as long as Mono itself is available for the platform. C++ is a built more complicated in that regard.
This is why I'd advocate people use C++ & Qt instead, if they insist on a "static" language. C++ with Qt is really not harder than Java / C#, and probably as/more portable.
The original point I was trying to make is that just because a simple app like Tomboy was ported doesn't mean that it's going to be as easy to port more complicated programs.
Probably true. But it's doable in reasonable time. What's important is who is willing to put in the resources, and where. Currently, some developers want to develop in Mono, and that's all fine and dandy. If some app becomes "problematic", it can be ported to C++ or Python (probably C++ - you'll want some significant runtime performance/footprint benefits if you are doing the porting in the first place); if nobody is willing to put in the time, then the app isn't/wasn't that important in the first place.
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It's a waste of breath to talk about software patents, generally.
Then it is also a waste of time to be critical of Mono.
We have those already, so this is not a "critical" app in any sense.
It's not a critical app for you or me (I prefer gvim) but for many it is critical. A well thought out and simple IDE is something people have been clamouring for on Linux. There are a few others out there but none seem to be as slick as MonoDevelop and it is much newer than most other comprable IDEs. This says a lot about the speed of Mono development itself.
This is why I'd advocate people use C++ & Qt instead, if they insist on a "static" language. C++ with Qt is really not harder than Java / C#, and probably as/more portable.
Now that's a huge undertaking. You can't just drop in Qt where GTK+ is now. It's definitely not worth the effort to port to Qt, at least not for GNOME writ large.
Probably true. But it's doable in reasonable time. What's important is who is willing to put in the resources, and where. Currently, some developers want to develop in Mono, and that's all fine and dandy. If some app becomes "problematic", it can be ported to C++ or Python (probably C++ - you'll want some significant runtime performance/footprint benefits if you are doing the porting in the first place); if nobody is willing to put in the time, then the app isn't/wasn't that important in the first place.
Agreed. Mono apps are still open source so if necessary they can be ported. Despite the fact that considerable time may be required to completely port all Mono apps it's not the disaster some people make it out to be.
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/20/13 22:43 UTC
The Verge pointed me to a blog post by Leap Motion - which reveals how their Kinect-like motion control works with Windows 8. "From the second you plug in your Leap Motion Controller, you'll be able to browse the web and interact with your computer just by moving your hands and fingers in the air. With Leap Motion technology and Windows, you can do everything that's possible with multi-touch inputs - without actually touching anything. This also means that existing applications in Windows 7 and 8 will respond to your natural hand and finger movements. Soon, we'll show you how Leap Motion will work with Mac OS X." Quite cool.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/20/13 21:50 UTC
PocketNow interviews Marc Dillon, and there's an interesting note about why Jolla is keeping the display properties under wraps: "We're leaving some of those details out because we do understand that there are a lot of really big players in the market and they tend to take certain components in the market and dominate them. We created the ability to actually be able to run Sailfish on multiple hardware displays and be able to swap components, so this is part of the demand and supply planning phase. We are committed to this industrial design which is a 4.5-inch display, an 8 megapixel camera on the back and a front-facing camera at the front, and the exact specs of the display we'll provide when we're close to delivery." Something you rarely hear anything about.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/19/13 23:15 UTC
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/18/13 7:37 UTC
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 05/17/13 23:35 UTC, submitted by kragil
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Perhaps it is in a discussion forum but not in a court of law. This is why I am re-iterating that this is a software patent issue in general not a Mono specific issue.
I wouldn't agree. MonoDevelop is a very good IDE and supports many languages other than Mono.
A big benefit to Mono over C++ is platform independence. Applications should be relatively simple to port to alternative architectures and operating systems as long as Mono itself is available for the platform. C++ is a built more complicated in that regard.
The original point I was trying to make is that just because a simple app like Tomboy was ported doesn't mean that it's going to be as easy to port more complicated programs.