Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Jun 2009 13:25 UTC
Apple During last week's Worldwide Developers Conference, Apple introduced a new iPhone model, the iPhone 3GS, which comes, among other things, with a faster processor and more RAM. Since this is a developers' conference, there were also numerous sessions on iPhone development, and the last session was about publishing on the App Store. Since every session at every WWDC is always followed by an open Q&A session, you'd figure this'd be the perfect opportunity for iPhone developers to ask about Apple's App Store policies. Well, no.
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OSNews hates Apple
by rubberneck on Tue 16th Jun 2009 21:08 UTC
rubberneck
Member since:
2009-06-16

Of course, OS News is gonna take a naive developer's point of view, and use it against Apple. They always do this.

Anyone in that session, with half of brain, knew apple wasn't going to do QA. I was there, and I predicted to other developers that they wouldn't. 1500 developers probably had 5000 questions.

As for what Marco states in his post is not the full story. After the session, at least 30 developers approached the presenter with questions. It was like a stampede, and the guy took some questions. He conveniently leaves that part out.

Is apple supposed to have an answer concerning every single app a developer is working on. There are some ground rules to developing and submitting an app, and if you don't investigate them, then you are dumb.

Good work OS News, once again your BS attack is based on only part of the story.

Good work Marco, you must have missed an entire conference that Apple was preparing for months with a vast amount of information. Where else are you gonna find great access to the developers of the API's? Next time, stay out of the bars and attend the conference.

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RE: OSNews hates Apple
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 16th Jun 2009 21:31 in reply to "OSNews hates Apple"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It took you this long to find out we hate Apple?

Dude, OSNews is paid for, hosted by, and developed by a secret team of upper-class hookers, who are all full-time Microsoft employees. Coincidentally (NOT! HAR HAR!), they are MY army of upper-class hookers, with which I'm going to take over the world, and force-feed everyone pies shaped and coloured like Windows logos.

At the same time, Apple users will be spanked with marshmallows, while Windows users will be covered in fairydust and ride flying unicorns to the promised land to live happily ever after with the perfect woman for every man, and the perfect man for every woman, and since I'm Dutch (as in, not a barbarian), we'll accommodate our homosexual and lesbian friends as well.

So, there you have it. You have uncovered OSNews' secret dastardly masterplan.

Drat!

Edited 2009-06-16 21:32 UTC

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RE[2]: OSNews hates Apple
by rubberneck on Tue 16th Jun 2009 22:49 in reply to "RE: OSNews hates Apple"
rubberneck Member since:
2009-06-16

That's coming great from a person who reads a blog post, that may or may not be completely true, and features it in order to score a point. So much for giving Apple the benefit of the least bit of doubt.

As for what you wrote above, it's wasted on me.

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RE[2]: OSNews hates Apple
by ssa2204 on Tue 16th Jun 2009 23:17 in reply to "RE: OSNews hates Apple"
ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22

It took you this long to find out we hate Apple?

Dude, OSNews is paid for, hosted by, and developed by a secret team of upper-class hookers, who are all full-time Microsoft employees. Coincidentally (NOT! HAR HAR!), they are MY army of upper-class hookers, with which I'm going to take over the world, and force-feed everyone pies shaped and coloured like Windows logos.

At the same time, Apple users will be spanked with marshmallows, while Windows users will be covered in fairydust and ride flying unicorns to the promised land to live happily ever after with the perfect woman for every man, and the perfect man for every woman, and since I'm Dutch (as in, not a barbarian), we'll accommodate our homosexual and lesbian friends as well.

So, there you have it. You have uncovered OSNews' secret dastardly masterplan.

Drat!


Been stopping off at the 'cafes' in Amsterdam lately?

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RE[2]: OSNews hates Apple
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 17th Jun 2009 03:28 in reply to "RE: OSNews hates Apple"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Damn!

...

Hiring?

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RE: OSNews hates Apple
by google_ninja on Tue 16th Jun 2009 21:34 in reply to "OSNews hates Apple"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

I guess john gruber hates apple too? http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/06/15/arment-wwdc-fu HackerNews is known to be a hotbed of zealotry http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=659271, as is ars technica http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/06/devs-given-no-chance-to-a... .

In fact, it is almost like there is a global internet conspiracy out there to give apple a bad name. Either that, or most people dont turn a blind eye when they are being evil.

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RE[2]: OSNews hates Apple
by tyrione on Wed 17th Jun 2009 04:31 in reply to "RE: OSNews hates Apple"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Who gives a rat's ass what John Gruber thinks? His ties are with Apple. My ties are with NeXT coming over to Apple. Without what we did this company was dead 3 months into 1998. There was exactly 3 months of cash on hand to keep the doors open when the iMac project went priority #1.

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RE: OSNews hates Apple
by David on Wed 17th Jun 2009 04:14 in reply to "OSNews hates Apple"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Now that I think of it, of the half dozen core members of the OSNews editorial team, I don't think there are any of us that don't own at least one Apple computer, and most of us use or have used Macs as our primary machines. And most of us have iPhones too. If we hate Apple, it's from familiarity.

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RE: OSNews hates Apple
by macUser on Wed 17th Jun 2009 04:17 in reply to "OSNews hates Apple"
macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

Of course, you present information counter to the author of the post this whole flame post (the osnews post that is) is linked to and are voted down.

But your story gets much fewer hits.

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RE: OSNews hates Apple
by mabhatter on Thu 18th Jun 2009 05:41 in reply to "OSNews hates Apple"
mabhatter Member since:
2005-07-17

Anyone in that session, with half of brain, knew apple wasn't going to do QA. I was there, and I predicted to other developers that they wouldn't. 1500 developers probably had 5000 questions.

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Is apple supposed to have an answer concerning every single app a developer is working on. There are some ground rules to developing and submitting an app, and if you don't investigate them, then you are dumb.


The answer is YES, if it's normal practice to have Q&A and they left the hottest topic with the most pressing questions for last, then yeah, it looks like they planned all along not to answer questions and bold for the door... that's the LAST thing they left Developers taking home from their conference! Apple bolts for the door (unless you're one of the 30 of 1500 they bothered to talk to)

Yes, Apple IS supposed to have an answer for every developer... they alone reserve the right to approve or reject apps... they are the ONLY people that can give a real answer.

The app market right now is incredibly fickle. Go to apple fan sites and every few days now, another app that was a "sure thing" is shot down because Apple has decided a paying partner might make that app, or the phone company suddenly didn't like the app, or it has access to public information with "dirty words" in it, even though another app on iphone can go to the same place and get the same info. The process is opaque and in many cases they REFUSE to point to where in those "ground rules" the developer went wrong.. leaving it to mostly "we said so".

this would have been a good chance for Apple to sit down and explain.. to put something out there developers could work from, to clarify information about the process. Sounds like all they did was to read from the website, not throwing any kind of bone to the uncertainty that "your" app will be qualified for the store or not. This was a "Developer Conference" Apple should have been ready to address THE biggest issue with the iPhone app process.. they clearly weren't and simply "stuck their head in the sand" and ran away from the problems.

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