Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Jun 2009 15:56 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones As was anticipated, the boys and girls at Mozilla have released the final build of Firefox 3.5 today. Firefox 3.5 - originally supposed to be 3.1 - comes with many welcome improvements, chief among which is support for HTML5 audio and video tags.
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arpan
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2006-07-30

Does it really matter whether it is Safari playing the video or Quicktime. Either way, it is transparent to the user.

In addition, which codec is more likely to be used, h.264 or Theora? I know that h.264 is patent encumbered, but when so many companies have already paid the fees and use it extensively, does it not make sense to standardize on that?

I'm not saying I don't want Theora to win, I'm just saying that that isn't all that likely to happen. As such, would it not make sense to standardize on something that have a much better chance of becoming a defacto standard for the web and replacing proprietary Flash or Silverlight?

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I think you’re forgetting that Firefox is the second most used browser, period. This matters to 25% of the world, and over 50% in some countries. Safari has a few meager percentage points. There will be more people using Theora by the end of this week, then people use Safari.

And there’s bollox-all innovation going on in the Internet Explorer camp. Theora is well on it’s way to becoming signifcantly important.

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Wrawrat Member since:
2005-06-30

I think you’re forgetting that Firefox is the second most used browser, period. This matters to 25% of the world, and over 50% in some countries. Safari has a few meager percentage points. There will be more people using Theora by the end of this week, then people use Safari.


Actually, they won't be using Theora: they will use a browser that can decode the few Theora videos around. Just as MP3 is still thriving even when far superior codecs exist (Vorbis), I don't expect to see Theora supplant proprietary/patented codecs powered by Flash soon. Not even in 5 years.

While Firefox might matter to 25% of the world, don't forget that other 70% taken by another browser that shall remain nameless. It might lose market share everyday, but it won't be away soon. Likewise, most people are slow upgraders, so I don't expect that Theora video will be vieweable (and therefore relevant) by 15% of the Internet users until a year or two.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I think you’re forgetting that Firefox is the second most used browser, period. This matters to 25% of the world, and over 50% in some countries. Safari has a few meager percentage points. There will be more people using Theora by the end of this week, then people use Safari. And there’s bollox-all innovation going on in the Internet Explorer camp. Theora is well on it’s way to becoming signifcantly important.


Another way of looking at it is that Firefox is used more than any single version of IE.

Yet another way of looking at it is that without doubt in a matter of a week or so there will be more Firefox 3.5 users than IE8 users, and IE8 has been out for many weeks now.

Yet another way of looking at it is that Firefox is supported on more platforms (and hence devices) than any browser (with the possible exception of Opera).

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ggeldenhuys Member since:
2006-11-13

In addition, which codec is more likely to be used, h.264 or Theora? I know that h.264 is patent encumbered, but when so many companies have already paid the fees and use it extensively, does it not make sense to standardize on that?


No, because who is going to pay the licensing fees for all the other platforms (excluding Apple and Windows)? What about OS's like Linux, *BSD, ReactOS, BEOS, OS/2, ..... Theora is free to all, so everybody can enjoy the internet as it was intended by the web designers. Theora improves with encoding quality at every release, and for web quality (which is much lower than when you rip your favorite DVD collection) that is not a issue anyway. Also Theora has better streaming support as far as I know.

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