Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Jun 2009 15:56 UTC
As was anticipated, the boys and girls at Mozilla have released the final build of Firefox 3.5 today. Firefox 3.5 - originally supposed to be 3.1 - comes with many welcome improvements, chief among which is support for HTML5 audio and video tags.
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RE[10]: First browser to support open video formats?
by Wrawrat on Thu 2nd Jul 2009 03:44
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Sorry, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that.
Well, I'd rather live there than in paranoia land.
After 2010 there will be a fee for anyone to stream h264 video over the internet. A "pay-per-play" fee, applied as if it were a television broadcast. The fee per transmission itself will be tiny ... but remember that a television station broadcasts a given video stream once (or at most a few times) to a large audience, whereas a website sends and resends the stream many thousands of times to individual recipients.
This will mount up to become a prohibitive cost for video websites.
This will mount up to become a prohibitive cost for video websites.
Your conclusion is right if the premise is. Did the MPEGLA (representing the licensors) clearly stated their intentions on enforcing those fees? It would make sense, but unless they stated their position, we are in speculation land.
There is a defensive patent on the original VP3 codec[...]
I was already aware of the position of Theora. For some reason, you always seem to assume that the OP is a complete ignorant and/or an idiot. At least that's my impression by reading your comments over the months. That is irritating.
There have been no challenges to Theora. I realise that this doesn't "prove" a negative, but right now there is at least one thing that is definitely proven ... h264 definitely IS patent encumbered, and the owners of the patent definitely ARE going to charge for its use.
See above for your second part (that is a red herring, btw).
Since we are going in circles, I won't argue further. My point is that proprietary/patented codecs won't go away soon. Even with Google around.
RE[11]: First browser to support open video formats?
by sorpigal on Thu 2nd Jul 2009 14:27
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Sorry, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that.
After 2010 there will be a fee for anyone to stream h264 video over the internet. A "pay-per-play" fee, applied as if it were a television broadcast. The fee per transmission itself will be tiny ... but remember that a television station broadcasts a given video stream once (or at most a few times) to a large audience, whereas a website sends and resends the stream many thousands of times to individual recipients.
This will mount up to become a prohibitive cost for video websites.
This is the reason why sites like Dailymotion, Wikimedia and a few others are right now moving their encoding to Theora, and sites like YouTube are considering doing exactly the same.
http://www.nabble.com/Google-Chrome-to-support-Ogg-Theora-video-nat...
There is a defensive patent on the original VP3 codec upon which Theora is based. Theora itself now holds a valid, irrevocable license to it, and Theora is onwards-licensed to anyone via a BSD-style license.
http://www.theora.org/faq/#24
There have been no challenges to Theora. I realise that this doesn't "prove" a negative, but right now there is at least one thing that is definitely proven ... h264 definitely IS patent encumbered, and the owners of the patent definitely ARE going to charge for its use.
Edited 2009-07-01 23:40 UTC