Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Jul 2009 18:51 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Internet & Networking We here at OSNews have taken somewhat of an interest in the new HTML5 video and audio tags, which should - some day - make embedding audio and video material into web pages as easy and straightforward as embedding images, allowing the web to finally remove the shackles of dreadful Flash video. Sadly, the problem with these new tags are the codecs; as it turns out, browser makers have not reached an agreement about what codecs to choose for video, with mostly Apple throwing a spanner in the works, and Microsoft shining in absence.
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RE: Ogg Theora
by Fergy on Thu 2nd Jul 2009 20:35 UTC in reply to "Ogg Theora"
Fergy
Member since:
2006-04-10

Ogg Theory has been proven, time and time again, to have lower quality per unit of data than other codecs of the same generation.

Ogg Vorbis has been proven, time and time again, to have higher quality per unit of data than other codecs like mp3. Still mp3 is the default and only 'freaks' use Ogg vorbis.

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RE[2]: Ogg Theora
by madcrow on Thu 2nd Jul 2009 20:42 in reply to "RE: Ogg Theora"
madcrow Member since:
2006-03-13

Not quite true. Plenty of things use Ogg Vorbis in "embedded" contexts like in-game music, sound effects, etc. It's just on the consumer-visible side of things that Ogg Vorbis is considered a second-tier option. Even on the consumer side of things, OGG support would be more widespead if the IPod supported it. I have friends who KNOW that OGG sounds better and takes less space, but they can't use it as their media player doesn't support it.

Edited 2009-07-02 20:44 UTC

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RE[2]: Ogg Theora
by Tom K on Thu 2nd Jul 2009 20:44 in reply to "RE: Ogg Theora"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

Audio codecs and MP3 debates are yesterday's news. Today is all about video codecs.

Know why Vorbis didn't make it? Because iPods and iPhones don't play it. Whine all you like about unfairness and patented algorithms, but that's basically what it comes down to.

Also, people who re-encode their MP3s into Vorbis just to be "free" and/or claim better audio quality COMPLETELY miss the point.

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RE[3]: Ogg Theora
by FooBarWidget on Fri 3rd Jul 2009 09:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Ogg Theora"
FooBarWidget Member since:
2005-11-11

Know why Vorbis didn't make it? Because iPods and iPhones don't play it. Whine all you like about unfairness and patented algorithms, but that's basically what it comes down to.


In other words, wide support for a codec is more important than pure quality? Uhm, what was your point about Theora vs H.264 again?

On an unrelated note, I think you have a serious attitude problem towards what you call "freetards". You act as if you have a grudge against them because a horde of "Open Sore Hippies" ate your dog and burned your house. Chill man, nobody here is advocating reencoding their MP3 collection for "freedom".

That said, you are dismissing the whole patent thing as a non-issue and acting as if only losers would complain about it. Imagine if someone charges licensing fees for HTML so that only big and rich companies can afford making websites. Is everybody who wants to make a website but can't because of licensing fees "freetards" or "losers"?

Edited 2009-07-03 09:17 UTC

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RE[2]: Ogg Theora
by memson on Fri 3rd Jul 2009 11:47 in reply to "RE: Ogg Theora"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Doesn't Ogg Vorbis require floating point operations to decode at a reasonable quality vs performance rate? Most ARM processors (usually present in MP3 players) till recently were too slow to handle integer based decoding at a high quality and did not support floating point operations without a software emulator.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE[3]: Ogg Theora
by madcrow on Fri 3rd Jul 2009 13:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Ogg Theora"
madcrow Member since:
2006-03-13

@memson: Nope. A very good integer decoder for Vorbis has been available for quite some time and even fairly pitiful and underpowered hardware like Sandisk's Sansa e200 can handle Vorbis decoding VERY well. Heck the thing can even do FLAC when provided with the Rockbox firmware, though battery life is pitiful when doing FLAC as compared to Vorbis or MP3.

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