Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Jul 2009 00:40 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Now this is interesting news that hit my inbox at 2:22 AM (don't ask). It seems like the concept of selling Mac clones is more lucrative than many have anticipated, as I've just been informed via email that the German PearC has expanded its business into the BeNeLux (Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg) and France. Together with the news that Psystar emerged from chapter 11, it looks like the market for Mac clones is more lucrative than many of us had imagined.
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merlin747
Member since:
2006-11-09

I just don't understand why you feel justified in essentially trying to undermine the Apple brand. Rather than you and others spending time ranting about how you can't get OS X on non-Apple hardware, invest some time & money in getting Linux up to that level of usability and supported on the hardware you want.

Sometimes it's so sad with the way everyone says "I want it, but I can't believe they won't sell as cheaply as I want to pay." For that matter, I demand that Microsoft release a copy of Windows 7 that I can run on Alpha (after all, they supported the platform). Can you make them do that for me please?

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VistaUser Member since:
2008-03-08

Difference here is that OSX will work on traditional PC's. and Apple also gets its cut.

The only ones hurt by this are those who see a premium in the mac hardware business.

If you want to install Windows on any traditional PC you are free to do so. OSX is also x86 in the package now and artificially limiting its possibilities is not favoured by everyone.

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merlin747 Member since:
2006-11-09

Problem is: with Apple having to write the drivers for hardware (to keep quality) it does cost more to develop in that regard... compared to Windows which Microsoft decided to rely upon hardware OEMs.

So if you install on your hackintosh and you have a sub-par experience, are you going to say "oh well, maybe it's my machine?"

Apple _chooses_ to sell the hardware & software as a set. You're perfectly free to choose to use Linux, Windows, or one of the BSDs.

Edited 2009-07-04 01:48 UTC

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

For that matter, I demand that Microsoft release a copy of Windows 7 that I can run on Alpha (after all, they supported the platform). Can you make them do that for me please?


Actually, I think the huge difference here is that people just want Apple to leave them alone.

Now, if Microsoft came and told you that you cannot use their OS in a virtual machine on top of Linux, would you tell them to f--k off? Probably.

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middleware Member since:
2006-05-11

Yes, they will say f--k to Microsoft. But the difference is Microsoft choose from the beginning to be a software company. And Apple choose a different commercial model.

No one so far is really clear about which model really suit software business. The open source movement shows that treating software as a standalone product neither really generate good software, nor getting good money from it. Maybe software is just another way to improve productivity, and in order to making money from it, you need to sell some concrete things embodying it. As in the old age you can really make good money from a way to improve productivity, you have to sell machine using that way to get the improved productivity. A *way* itself is too inmaterial. To make money from an inmaterial leads to 1) have a difficult to prevent others stealing the idea, 2) have a difficult to advance the whole technical level of world because the owner of the inmaterial will keep it too secret.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yeah, I really need to buy a Mac clone to satisfy my Mac envy.

You do realise that I've bought about... Uh, 10 or so Macs the past few years, right?

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orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

"It's the economy, stupid..."

I like Apple, well, I mean, I use a Mac, and PC, with Windows and Linux on it, so I am not being partisan here.

The world economy is in bad shape - and this has been recognized by Apple I think in its recent upspeccing of machines while prices have come down, relative to previous Apple bang for buck.

Also, those who live by the sword, die by the sword - if you rely on markets, then it's precisely keeping up with what established and even potential customers demand that's going to keep you in business. If you make a decision not to address a certain known niche, you either lose that potential custom per se, or someone else will seek to address it.

Apple is choosing steadfastly not to respond to this niche, that's fine but the choice has consequences for Apple, ones that they seek to deal with not through being in the market but through legal channels. That's also Apple's choice but it may mean that they will be hoist by one of their own legal petards. The situation will evolve, they may raise the cost of retail versions of OS X, or make it more dificult to hack onto non-Apple branded hardware, etc., etc.

Meanwhile, in the background, in a very small way, there may be alternative systems that come to provide the market relief that customers seemingly seek - PCBSD and iXsystems new hardware range, for example.

I do not think it is just OS X envy, myself - as long as it's simple to use, is versatile, and allows people to do what they normally do with computers (a little office work, a few games, surfing, etc.) while being relatively secure, it will have appeal.

I would personally like to see a comparative review of the iXsystems laptop with PC-BSD preinstalled and pre-configured once it's out with a MacBook or MacBook Pro.

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