Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Sep 2005 22:40 UTC, submitted by Danijel Orsolic
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "This follow-up to the previously published article 'Ubuntu: Derivative or Fork?' takes into account most of everything that has been posted as a reaction to the first article to present a general opinion and compare them with facts derived from various resouces. You'll see that peace can be achieved between these two, and ultimately any GNU/Linux group out there."
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"Freedom"
by stew on Tue 27th Sep 2005 23:00 UTC
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The article ends with:
"So you see, it's all about one thing: freedom."

I can't stand hearing this word any more. It's been overused and has lost all of its meaning.

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RE: "Freedom", "the community"
by on Tue 27th Sep 2005 23:34 in reply to ""Freedom""
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Yeah, I'm pretty much sick of "the community" too. It means nothing.

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RE: "Freedom"
by Sphinx on Tue 27th Sep 2005 23:50 in reply to ""Freedom""
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but dude, it's like, for such a noble cause. In propoganda, people like freedom, say freedom and ****** often enough together, people like ******. Silence your critics, "What? You must be against freedom!"

...they can take our lives but they can never take our freedom to rebrand the work of others...

Braveheart


Use it, abuse it, change it, share the patches but I don't think anything should fork until it's dead and a respectful mourning period has passed, like xfree, or is converted into a completely different app or in a different niche at least. On the other hand the debian release cycle qualified as death.

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RE: "Freedom"
by on Tue 27th Sep 2005 23:57 in reply to ""Freedom""
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I say we replace it with the new word "hahadom". I think it really captures the feeling.

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RE: "Freedom"
by on Wed 28th Sep 2005 00:58 in reply to ""Freedom""
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I can't stand hearing this word any more. It's been overused and has lost all of its meaning.

Don't you believe that if it really did lost its meaning that it is an unfortunate situation we should do something about?

The thing is that without the thing that this word represents, you know the thing about not being locked up into monopolies, was the very reason why today GNU/Linux is an issue at all and that we'd be enjoying a free (yes as in *freedom*) operating system like we do.

So instead of avoiding it, we should in a contrary try to promote it as something attractive and good for everyone, something that is worth knowing and understanding. It really doesn't make much sense to talk about Free Software and GNU/Linux and completely leave the "freedom" issue from it, because the "freedom" is the reason why it is here.

Besides all this, the site where this was published on (founded by little myself) is ALL about that freedom, from Free (as in freedom) software to the Free (as in freedom) culture encompassing it.

Thank you
Danijel Orsolic

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RE[2]: "Freedom"
by stew on Wed 28th Sep 2005 01:10 in reply to "RE: "Freedom""
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free (yes as in *freedom*)

As in which freedom? The developer's freedom of not being allowed link GPL and (original) BSD licensed code? The developer's freedom of not being allowed to revoke license when he sees his software used in immoral ways? The "freedom" that the GPL claims is just an arbitrary choice - one man's freedom is the other one's prison.

In my experience, the majority of GNU/Linux users mostly cares about the free as in beer aspect more than the freedom aspect. Just give them the choice between paying and getting the source code or getting binaries for free and see what they prefer.

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RE: "Freedom"
by on Wed 28th Sep 2005 03:27 in reply to ""Freedom""
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I'm with you there. I am so sick and tired of the word freedom. freedom from guilt, freedom from morality, freedom from responsibility. Like the Devils Rejects, freedom to kill.

The word is meaningless by itself.

javajazz

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