Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Jul 2009 00:40 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Now this is interesting news that hit my inbox at 2:22 AM (don't ask). It seems like the concept of selling Mac clones is more lucrative than many have anticipated, as I've just been informed via email that the German PearC has expanded its business into the BeNeLux (Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg) and France. Together with the news that Psystar emerged from chapter 11, it looks like the market for Mac clones is more lucrative than many of us had imagined.
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RE[3]: :)
by kaiwai on Sat 4th Jul 2009 03:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: :)"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Of course it's good. Now, people who buy these should be fully aware that their system may have issues and they're not eligible for Apple support, but that aside, why should anyone care? Apple gets their money from the OS sale, and as Thom's previous editorial postulated, Apple probably isn't "subsidizing" the cost.


But you're ignoring the fall out that comes when idiot has a bad experience and it tarnishes Apples good name rather than blaming the vendor itself. How many times have Microsoft been blamed for things that the OEM does? I'm sure Apple has looked at what Microsoft has to put up with and thought, "I don't want t have to deal with that". Imagine all the crapware that will be installed on pre-installed versions of Mac OS X and the shonky nature of it - it basically ruin the Apple brand over night as people equate their one bad experience using non-Apple hardware with Mac OS X to the quality of the operating system.

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RE[4]: :)
by FreakyT on Sat 4th Jul 2009 03:22 in reply to "RE[3]: :)"
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2005-07-17

But you're ignoring the fall out that comes when idiot has a bad experience and it tarnishes Apples good name rather than blaming the vendor itself.


I'll agree with you there -- I feel like clone manufacturers shouldn't be selling these things in actual stores, but instead only online with a "build to order" type setups. Unfortunatlely, it seems like a "slippery slope" either way; if you allow the clone makers to exist, the brand dilution is bound to happen, whereas if you don't, you implicitly acknowledge a company's ability to legally restrict what a customer can do with a purchased product, which could lead to all sorts of crazy restrictions.

Personally, I'd say the former outcome is preferrable to the latter.

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RE[5]: :)
by kaiwai on Sat 4th Jul 2009 04:08 in reply to "RE[4]: :)"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I'll agree with you there -- I feel like clone manufacturers shouldn't be selling these things in actual stores, but instead only online with a "build to order" type setups.


Even then I don't think Apple would be comfortable - about the only plausible compromise I can see is if Apple has a standard motherboard what vendors base their clone upon. If they standardise the motherboard along with the firmware and so forth - it would remove 99% of the incompatibilities that exist.

Then what happens is the vendor can populate the board with video cards, decide the memory, hard disk size, the case it comes in and so forth.

Unfortunately, it seems like a "slippery slope" either way; if you allow the clone makers to exist, the brand dilution is bound to happen, whereas if you don't, you implicitly acknowledge a company's ability to legally restrict what a customer can do with a purchased product, which could lead to all sorts of crazy restrictions.

Personally, I'd say the former outcome is preferable to the latter.


I personally don't see anything wrong with saying, "you can only use this product with this piece of hardware" considering that they're made to go together - any more than a vendor saying that you can't download a firmware update and retrofit it to work with another companies device. There are numerous precedents from devices to game consoles over the nature of software bundled with the hardware.

Mac OS X is Apples customised operating system for their hardware, the retail version of their operating is a customised operating system for their operating system. It is no different than an OEM who has a custom version of Windows they bundle and restricting it so you can't use it on other hardware (by moving the licence from one computer to another) - OEM's also sell customised versions of Windows for their customers. For example, I bought a Toshiba and was able to buy an upgrade DVD direct from Toshiba to upgrade it to Windows Vista - that was locked to my Toshiba and couldn't be used on other hardware.

If people find that Apples policies are too restrictive - don't purchase it. If enough people refuse to purchase their products then Apple will get the message and change their policy. That is no different to the iPhone - if the AT&T deal is so cruddy, so egregious, then don't purchase it, go with another carrier and purchase a phone of a similar nature (there are 4 phone producers whom I can think of which produce touch based phones).

Edited 2009-07-04 04:16 UTC

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RE[4]: :)
by dylansmrjones on Sat 4th Jul 2009 09:39 in reply to "RE[3]: :)"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

If you are afraid of having your name tarnished then don´t have a name.

If you are afraid of people dissing your software don't write software.

Of course, you could also take another approach. Give a damn about it - or maybe even (this is farfetched alright) listen to the complaints...

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RE[5]: :)
by kaiwai on Sun 5th Jul 2009 01:47 in reply to "RE[4]: :)"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

If you are afraid of having your name tarnished then don´t have a name.

If you are afraid of people dissing your software don't write software.

Of course, you could also take another approach. Give a damn about it - or maybe even (this is farfetched alright) listen to the complaints...


So its Apple's fault when a third party doesn't properly test their drivers and hardware configuration? nice to see your detachment from reality doesn't have a limit when it comes to hating Apple.

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RE[4]: :)
by bluedodo on Sun 5th Jul 2009 09:36 in reply to "RE[3]: :)"
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2006-03-26

But you're ignoring the fall out that comes when idiot has a bad experience and it tarnishes Apples good name rather than blaming the vendor itself. How many times have Microsoft been blamed for things that the OEM does? I'm sure Apple has looked at what Microsoft has to put up with and thought, "I don't want t have to deal with that". Imagine all the crapware that will be installed on pre-installed versions of Mac OS X and the shonky nature of it - it basically ruin the Apple brand over night as people equate their one bad experience using non-Apple hardware with Mac OS X to the quality of the operating system.

You are under the impression that Apple has a good name?

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RE[5]: :)
by kaiwai on Sun 5th Jul 2009 12:48 in reply to "RE[4]: :)"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

You are under the impression that Apple has a good name?


Apples name, branding, reputation in the mainstream (not the geek filled forums on the net) - the fact that you have a chip on your shoulder because its the 'cool' thing to hate Apple along with Microsoft doesn't change the fact that in the eyes of the vast majority of users - Apple is a cool, hip, and innovative company. What you or anyone else thinks is meaningless because perception is reality and the reality for the vast majority of people is Apple is a reliable brand that is cool, hip and on the cutting edge. Apple has to maintain that image to retain the market they have fought hard to create.

Edited 2009-07-05 12:49 UTC

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RE[4]: :)
by gustl on Mon 6th Jul 2009 20:41 in reply to "RE[3]: :)"
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2006-01-19

There is a VERY easy way for Apple to get rid of that threat.

Just have the OS name not contain any reference to their "Apple" brand.

Then cloners can only market their computers as "OS-x". But not as "Apple's OS-X", or Apple clone.

They could even put their OS business guys into a daughter company, and have them not make any advertisements.
The mother company, then sells Apple computers, as they did before.

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