Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Jul 2009 00:40 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Now this is interesting news that hit my inbox at 2:22 AM (don't ask). It seems like the concept of selling Mac clones is more lucrative than many have anticipated, as I've just been informed via email that the German PearC has expanded its business into the BeNeLux (Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg) and France. Together with the news that Psystar emerged from chapter 11, it looks like the market for Mac clones is more lucrative than many of us had imagined.
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RE[7]: :)
by kaiwai on Sun 5th Jul 2009 07:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: :)"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Now now, kaiwai. Be nice. You are not your usual self - had a bad day? Usually you are much more constructive in your style.


I reply in the same way that people post, this is what you said:

If you are afraid of having your name tarnished then donĀ“t have a name.

If you are afraid of people dissing your software don't write software.

Of course, you could also take another approach. Give a damn about it - or maybe even (this is farfetched alright) listen to the complaints...


Tell me how that is even remotely useful to the discourse surrounding that matter of tying hardware to software and the reasons for it? You know very well that the Windows experience can vary depending on how much (or little) effort that the third party puts into ensuring that the hardware, drivers and operating system over all functions. It can range from being a wonderful experience to something the end user would sooner push to the back of their mind.

It has nothing to do with your claims that if something doesn't work, its obviously because Apple doesn't care as you stated in this part:

Of course, you could also take another approach. Give a damn about it - or maybe even (this is farfetched alright) listen to the complaints...


What you stated there it is Apples fault even if it the hardware, drivers and integration is outside the control of Apple. Tell me how being snarky is of any valuable contribution to the discussion?

I don't hate Apple and I've never written anything which in any way can be understood as such. And you know that. I distrust them sometimes, true. However, I distrust all companies - and for a good reason.

Nope, it's not Apple's fault if a third party does a crappy job. And I've never written anything which can be understood as such.

The only thing I really wrote was "Don't be afraid".


No, this is what you wrote:

Of course, you could also take another approach. Give a damn about it - or maybe even (this is farfetched alright) listen to the complaints...


Which is nothing short of blaming Apple for all the problems of the clone producer - even though Apple would have little to no control over what is going on. I suggest you look at what you wrote because it most certainly wasn't of any constructive value.

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RE[8]: :)
by mynameisnobody on Sun 5th Jul 2009 09:33 in reply to "RE[7]: :)"
mynameisnobody Member since:
2009-07-05

I think what people miss to understand is that Psystar and PearPC are are installing OSX on machines they are going sell for a profit without the permission from Apple.

What they are practically doing is making business with someone else's product without their permission. It's not a case of installing OSX on your privately used PC, but of using APPLE's product, install it on a PC and SELL it for your own profit. And this is illegal, I think.

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RE[9]: :)
by kaiwai on Sun 5th Jul 2009 09:52 in reply to "RE[8]: :)"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I think what people miss to understand is that Psystar and PearPC are are installing OSX on machines they are going sell for a profit without the permission from Apple.

What they are practically doing is making business with someone else's product without their permission. It's not a case of installing OSX on your privately used PC, but of using APPLE's product, install it on a PC and SELL it for your own profit. And this is illegal, I think.


Correct, software isn't sold, it is licensed - and part of that licence there are conditions attached. If people here don't like the licence - then send a message to Apple by not purchasing it. As I said many months ago - if it were a few geeks sitting around hacking away at Mac OS X to understand how it works and getting it to work on non-Apple computers in the privcacy of their own home - Apple wouldn't care. The issue, as you said your post, it has moved from a home hobby to a business model.

I've refused to purchase products from a given company for all manner of reasons; from their lack of fair work practices to the lowering of product quality by using inferior ingredients (Cadbury Chocolate in New Zealand). If people find that Apples licence is so bad - it isn't up to them to unilaterally decide what rules, laws or licences to follow. If one doesn't like it, then use something different.

I know many Linux and alternative operating system users who do just that - they don't agree with the licence so instead they stand by their values and refuse to use it. I'll be my bottom dollar that those who advocate violating Apple's licence also regularly pirate music and software under the excuse of, "well, its too expensive, the licence is too restrictive so I'll be robin hood and nick it from the 'rich and evil corporatin'".

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