Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Sep 2005 22:40 UTC, submitted by Danijel Orsolic
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "This follow-up to the previously published article 'Ubuntu: Derivative or Fork?' takes into account most of everything that has been posted as a reaction to the first article to present a general opinion and compare them with facts derived from various resouces. You'll see that peace can be achieved between these two, and ultimately any GNU/Linux group out there."
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I've ditched Ubuntu for the time being
by on Tue 27th Sep 2005 23:27 UTC

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It's been my most used distro for the past year at least and after the colony 5 release, I'm back to an almost pure debian - Kanotix: www.kanotix.com. Kanotix even had the very new open source wireless realtek 8180 driver, detecting my hardware and insmoding it, as well as autodetecting everything else since it's based off of knopix.

I liked Hoary, it was a nice distro, but I've found out that personally I don't really like the Ubuntu development model anymore. I'm either stuck with stable with no new packages (besides backports), or I go to unstable Ubuntu (development) which seemed to be in a perpetual broken state even up to now. I'd rather just deal with the Sid model where things don't get in bleeding edge, but things are relatively up to date, along with some other goodies from kanotix's repositories.

Hell, with klik I can just run anything I want at the click of a button. I clicked on the e17 button at the klik website, went out and smoked a cigarette, came back in 7 minutes later and I had a fully running e17 in an nx session on my desktop.

I wish Ubuntu the best, it served me well, but I'm moving on for the time being.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

Exactly! Just one man (Kano) has proved to the world what Debian at its best can do. No forking, no large teams of developers, no millions, no hype, no zealots...

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These Debian/Ubuntu flamefests over the past few days have really done a good job at hashing out the differences between Ubuntu and other Debian derivatives.

So now I'd like to know why people use other Debian derivatives instead of just using Debian. If all of their packages are compatible and you can just point your sources.list wherever you want what's the point of them?

Not criticizing them, just honestly want to know.

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You seem to have a lot of... zeal. Let's face it, without a certain amount of "marketing", whether it be word of mouth or a billboard, very little would be bought/sold/used anywhere. The argument is (as I have feebly understood it here) that if something doesn't "work" in the open source model, it gets abandoned. That's all well and good, but the implied idea is that what does work remains, or gets adapted. Love or hate Ubuntu, they seem to be doing something right. Perhaps it isn't a graceful or new creature from a purely computational perspective, but if it is only the ability to generate enough "hype" and positive reviews, then it is something from which all Linux distros can benefit. I use Ubuntu, but until I saw your "hype" about Katonix, I wasn't inclined to try it. Now I am. I think you're on to something...

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zombie process Member since:
2005-07-08

I agree -- this is one of the things I really dislike about ubuntu. I'd like kanotix a lot more if it had a better installer, but I have it installed on one of my drives. Also, not speaking german is a major bummer when looking at their forums. But yeah, the 6 month freeze/upgrade cycle is something I could do without.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"Also, not speaking german is a major bummer when looking at their forums."

Dear friend

There is a pretty good English section of the forum (and growing), the wiki is in English as well as in German...
Besides if you post in English in the German forum, you get quite often a polite reply in English, mostly from Kano himself.
Kano, besides being a genius, is incredibly down to earth and approachable.

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"Hell, with klik I can just run anything I want at the click of a button. I clicked on the e17 button at the klik website, went out and smoked a cigarette, came back in 7 minutes later and I had a fully running e17 in an nx session on my desktop."

Would like to point out that Klik is available for Ubuntu as well.

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