Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Jul 2009 08:51 UTC, submitted by PLan
Mono Project We've already seen some heavy discussion on Mono and C# here on OSNews the past few weeks, as it became clear the patent situation regarding the ECMA parts of Mono was anything but faith inspiring. This issue seems to be resolved now: Microsoft has made a legally binding promise not to sue anyone who uses or distributes implementations of said ECMA standards. Following this news, Mono will be split in two; the ECMA standard parts, and the rest.
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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by lemur2 on Tue 7th Jul 2009 11:02 UTC in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

That is nice but how much is actually covered? in the case of .NET, does the promise cover both the ECMA components as well as the likes of ASP.NET, Winforms, WPF etc.?

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The way I read the agreement is that the promise is only over the ECMA specifications


Agree. No parts of .NET are covered except C# and CLI.

This conclusion is strongly supported by the act of Mono splitting itself into two parts ... essentially being one part which is covered, and one which is not.

What it does mean, happily, is that recent announcements by Debian and Ubuntu have lost a lot of import ... both can now ship just one half of Mono (the covered half) as part of the default install.

So GNOME will have the covered parts of Mono installed by default ... that is almost a guaranteed outcome now.

This will quite possibly cause some defections from GNOME.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by memson on Tue 7th Jul 2009 11:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
memson Member since:
2006-01-01

Agree. No parts of .NET are covered except C# and CLI.


Please read through Annex D of the EMCA 334 spec. This pretty much lays out what is included as part of the "C# language".

This conclusion is strongly supported by the act of Mono splitting itself into two parts ... essentially being one part which is covered, and one which is not.


The spit is entirely driven by the hysteria you and others like yourself exhibit with regards to Mono.

What it does mean, happily, is that recent announcements by Debian and Ubuntu have lost a lot of import ... both can now ship just one half of Mono (the covered half) as part of the default install.

So GNOME will have the covered parts of Mono installed by default ... that is almost a guaranteed outcome now.

This will quite possibly cause some defections from GNOME.


Yay, progress! Hmmm...

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by Slambert666 on Tue 7th Jul 2009 16:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

So GNOME will have the covered parts of Mono installed by default ... that is almost a guaranteed outcome now.

This will quite possibly cause some defections from GNOME.


I completely agree, and I think it is a good thing. The gnome community will come out of this much stronger than it was before.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by sbergman27 on Tue 7th Jul 2009 16:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So GNOME will have the covered parts of Mono installed by default ... that is almost a guaranteed outcome now.

What this does is to allow decisions regarding the covered portions to be made on a technical basis. Mono has some problems on that front; Notably, resource usage. But those issues have, so far, mostly gotten lost in the heated political debate.

This will quite possibly cause some defections from GNOME.

Ever the KDE troll, huh, Hal? An alternative, or perhaps complementary view, would be of an influx of devs who prefer a safer, managed language to the buffer overflow minefield that is C++.

I'm hardly an enthusiastic Mono/C# fan. But at least this legally binding promise, and clear separation of code, will neutralize the political doomsayers and allow the debate to move on to matters of technical merit.

Edited 2009-07-07 16:18 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by kaiwai
by lemur2 on Wed 8th Jul 2009 01:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"So GNOME will have the covered parts of Mono installed by default ... that is almost a guaranteed outcome now.
What this does is to allow decisions regarding the covered portions to be made on a technical basis. Mono has some problems on that front; Notably, resource usage. But those issues have, so far, mostly gotten lost in the heated political debate.
This will quite possibly cause some defections from GNOME.
Ever the KDE troll, huh, Hal? An alternative, or perhaps complementary view, would be of an influx of devs who prefer a safer, managed language to the buffer overflow minefield that is C++. I'm hardly an enthusiastic Mono/C# fan. But at least this legally binding promise, and clear separation of code, will neutralize the political doomsayers and allow the debate to move on to matters of technical merit.
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http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Qyoto

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Edited 2009-07-08 01:43 UTC

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