Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Jul 2009 08:51 UTC, submitted by PLan
Mono Project We've already seen some heavy discussion on Mono and C# here on OSNews the past few weeks, as it became clear the patent situation regarding the ECMA parts of Mono was anything but faith inspiring. This issue seems to be resolved now: Microsoft has made a legally binding promise not to sue anyone who uses or distributes implementations of said ECMA standards. Following this news, Mono will be split in two; the ECMA standard parts, and the rest.
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RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai
by niemau on Tue 7th Jul 2009 16:09 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by kaiwai"
niemau
Member since:
2007-06-28

the goal of MONO is to replace C with C# as the preimire dev technology on GNOME.


hah. no, it is not! it's about creating a clone of .NET. period. straight from the horse's mouth:

Provides the necessary software to develop and run .NET client and server applications on different platforms.


i am so tired of people making this just about patents. of course microsoft is going to continue to make shallow and/or vague patent threats in perpetuity. just like they ALWAYS have.

the only thing this 'promise' does is extend novell's insufficient coverage to others. it still doesn't cover everything.

but even if there was NO patent threat, it is flabbergasting that so many people have no problem with playing a constant game of catch-up, forever and ever. mono will ALWAYS be a 'me-too' or a 'second best implementation'. that is the very nature of the project. considering MS's... errr... history, why would anybody even *want* to take that on?

that simple fact is why a good number of people don't want to be any further entrenched in mono than necessary. that is why we shouldn't be pushing mono as a development platform. a compatibility option, sure. but never installed by default. and NEVER critical.

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by sbergman27 on Tue 7th Jul 2009 16:30 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

hah. no, it is not! it's about creating a clone of .NET. period. straight from the horse's mouth:

Agreed. I do believe that Miguel de Icaza's original goal was to make C and C# the dual pillars of Gnome development. And that is where the errant perception likely comes from. But Miguel, smart as he is on technical matters, can be a real fruitcake when it comes to what is reasonably possible in dealing with real OSS developers and real OSS projects.

At most, C# is or will become one language, among many, that one can write Gnome apps in.

Edited 2009-07-07 16:31 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by dagw on Tue 7th Jul 2009 16:43 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

it's about creating a clone of .NET. period.

That's one of the goals of Mono, however it is not the only goal. Hopefully this splitting of the mono project will make that clearer.

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RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai
by kelvin on Tue 7th Jul 2009 18:10 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by kaiwai"
kelvin Member since:
2005-07-06

but even if there was NO patent threat, it is flabbergasting that so many people have no problem with playing a constant game of catch-up, forever and ever. mono will ALWAYS be a 'me-too' or a 'second best implementation'.

FFS... this again. Mono is NOT playing catch-up. Mono already implements C# 3.0. Who cares what Microsoft is doing in its stack on top of the ECMA-bits? The Free stack is not a moving target, and that's what's important.

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RE[8]: Comment by kaiwai
by niemau on Tue 7th Jul 2009 19:12 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by kaiwai"
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

FFS... this again. Mono is NOT playing catch-up. Mono already implements C# 3.0. Who cares what Microsoft is doing in its stack on top of the ECMA-bits? The Free stack is not a moving target, and that's what's important.


who the hell are you to define what is important? mono developers have defined it _exactly_ as a platform to develop and run .NET apps on multiple platforms. this includes everything that MS is doing in its stack on top of the ECMA bits. and that is obvious, considering that mono is... well... always playing catch up with those 'bits'.

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