Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Jul 2009 08:51 UTC, submitted by PLan
Mono Project We've already seen some heavy discussion on Mono and C# here on OSNews the past few weeks, as it became clear the patent situation regarding the ECMA parts of Mono was anything but faith inspiring. This issue seems to be resolved now: Microsoft has made a legally binding promise not to sue anyone who uses or distributes implementations of said ECMA standards. Following this news, Mono will be split in two; the ECMA standard parts, and the rest.
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RE[13]: Comment by kaiwai
by kelvin on Wed 8th Jul 2009 14:43 UTC in reply to "RE[12]: Comment by kaiwai"
kelvin
Member since:
2005-07-06

okay, so now you're just going to bend the truth, then? that is the primary objective listed right there on the web for all to see.


Dude, jsteadfast has been a part of mono since its inception. If anyone knows what the goals of the project are it's he.

Or you can take a look at this interview with Miguel from the time of the original announcement in 2001:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/07/09/why_it_pays_to_embrace/

".NET solves a number of problems we've been trying to solve in GNOME," he told us today. "Instead of wasting our time trying to create a new standard we're embracing .NET and extending it for our own purposes."
...
".NET is a company wide initiative. It means too many things - different things to different people. I'm talking about the CLI, the class library and the C# programming language," he told us.

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RE[14]: Comment by kaiwai
by niemau on Wed 8th Jul 2009 15:27 in reply to "RE[13]: Comment by kaiwai"
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

Dude, jsteadfast has been a part of mono since its inception. If anyone knows what the goals of the project are it's he. Or you can take a look at this interview with Miguel from the time of the original announcement in 2001:


i know who he is. you're missing my point, and he's either ignoring it, or being shady about it.

so, i'll briefly recap:

user modmans2ndcoming states "MONO is not the WINE" of .NET and that goal of mono is to replace C with C#

i replied with "hah. no, it is not! it's about creating a clone of .NET." and provided a direct example where the mono project stated as much. so, once again, straight from the project:

Provides the necessary software to develop and run .NET client and server applications on different platforms.


that is not taken out of context. that is what shows up from the project when you do a google search for mono.

user kelvin stated his opinion that mono was NOT playing catchup because "Who cares what Microsoft is doing in its stack on top of the ECMA-bits? The Free stack is not a moving target, and that's what's important."

at this point i reaffirmed what the mono project itself claims it is doing, based on what they SAY they are doing publicly, on the web.

jstedfast states that i am VERY wrong and that "mono was created to make it easier to write apps on linux and that the original goal.
at which point, i rebutted and pointed once again to the statement made BY THE MONO PROJECT.

it should be obvious to anybody without a bucket over their gigantic egotistical head that i am pointing out the difference between what the mono-project says in one place and what it says in another.

the theme here, ahem, is that the project's most vociferous proponents can't get their story straight.

and your quote from miguel doesn't support OR disprove what i've said. he just says that he's embracing .NET and that this mean many things to many people.

but, frankly, what jstedfast says, and what miguel says, are simply not important to me. they have shown time and time again that they will say whatever they need to in order to sound 'right'.

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RE[15]: Comment by kaiwai
by DrillSgt on Wed 8th Jul 2009 15:50 in reply to "RE[14]: Comment by kaiwai"
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

jstedfast states that i am VERY wrong and that "mono was created to make it easier to write apps on linux and that the original goal. at which point, i rebutted and pointed once again to the statement made BY THE MONO PROJECT.


You should include the full statement from the project, which is the following:

Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create cross platform applications. It is an open source implementation of Microsoft's .Net Framework based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language Runtime. We feel that by embracing a successful, standardized software platform, we can lower the barriers to producing great applications for Linux.

That is directly from the mono project website when it describes what mono is. It looks to me like Miguel and jstedfast have been stating the same all along.

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RE[15]: Comment by kaiwai
by sbergman27 on Wed 8th Jul 2009 16:06 in reply to "RE[14]: Comment by kaiwai"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

it should be obvious to anybody without a bucket over their gigantic egotistical head that i am pointing out the difference between what the mono-project says in one place and what it says in another.

I'm not sure I'm really clear on what this thread is about. But I suspect that Mono is many things to many people.

1. A .net clone.
2. A new language for OSS apps.
3. An insidious threat from MS-land.
4. A way to for Windows programmers to migrate to Linux.
5. A way to Become One with Microsoft. (I think Miguel is the only member of that particular camp.)
6. A horrendous memory hog.
7. A vehicle for pointing out how evil MS is.
8. An excuse to imply that all OSS proponents wear tinfoil hats.
9. Etc.

I suspect that any attempt to define Mono and its relationship to the community in an unambiguous way is doomed to failure. In the end, "Mono" projects onto people's varying planes in different ways.

Personally, I'd say it projects way too much resource usage onto mine, but hey...

Edited 2009-07-08 16:10 UTC

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