Linked by Jordan Spencer Cunningham on Wed 8th Jul 2009 18:34 UTC, submitted by rlem6983
Google Google's recent move of revealing the Chrome OS to a suspecting public has put a great many people on alert. Some say it's a major privacy issue, some say Google oughtn't to become more and more monopolistic, while others think that the wide array of popular Linux distributions shouldn't become even more fragmented than it already is. "Google's decision to create its own Linux distribution and splinter the Linux community decisively once again can only be seen as foolhardy and self-obsessive. Instead of treading its own path, Google should have sought to leverage the stellar work already carried out by Mark Shuttleworth and his band of merry coders and tied its horse to the Ubuntu cart."
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RE[3]: No thanks Ubuntu.
by Teknoenie on Thu 9th Jul 2009 03:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: No thanks Ubuntu."
Teknoenie
Member since:
2007-06-07

"Sour grapes on the part of proponents of distros with a less realistic grasp on reality of what new users need to get started..."

This is pure BS. Ubuntu is the Microsoft of the GNU/Linux world. They will more than happily put closed source, proprietary drivers into the operating system to make the "user experience" better. *This* is why Ubuntu is popular. Not because it is the right thing to do, but because it is the easy thing to do.

This doesn't have anything to do with realistic grasps of reality at all. It has to due with the laziness of the Ubuntu user base and people in general.

Most of the crap that GNU/Linux takes flak for is not because of the desktop, not because of stability, but because it's hard to get those pieces of shite components that no one write documentation for or provides specifications for to work adequately at least not without that blob (Intel, Broadcomm, nVidia).

People install Ubuntu because these garbage binary blobs are provided as part of the *default install*. Oh yeah! It's a pandora's box of blob work, just look at the restricted drivers that are provided by default.

Making things easy is not necessarily always a good thing. I suppose it is depending on what side you are coming from, but Ubuntu is nearly a total 180% from what the GNU project and the GNU/Linux community set out to do many years ago.

Ubuntu is for the mindless and lazy. All software available for Ubuntu is also available for any other GNU/Linux distribution. Proponents that Ubuntu is the *ultimate* GNU/Linux distribution, screw it.. I'm just sick of it!

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RE[4]: No thanks Ubuntu.
by sbergman27 on Thu 9th Jul 2009 03:23 in reply to "RE[3]: No thanks Ubuntu."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

This is pure BS. Ubuntu is the Microsoft of the GNU/Linux world...
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It has to due with the laziness of the Ubuntu user base...
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People install Ubuntu because these garbage binary blobs are provided...
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Ubuntu is for the mindless and lazy...
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screw it.. I'm just sick of it!

Your... err... response demonstrates the point I was making most clearly. Even more clearly, in fact, than Lunitik's response previous to yours. Thanks.

Edited 2009-07-09 03:23 UTC

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RE[5]: No thanks Ubuntu.
by Teknoenie on Thu 9th Jul 2009 03:31 in reply to "RE[4]: No thanks Ubuntu."
Teknoenie Member since:
2007-06-07

"Your... err... response demonstrates the point I was making most clearly. Even more clearly, in fact, than Lunitik's response previous to yours. Thanks."

How many Ubuntu systems do you maintain? I maintain 7000 hosts and in the enterprise Ubuntu deployment sucks! Suse Autoyast and RedHat Kickstart kick that crap out of Ubuntu. Actually Ubuntu PXE files don't even support the hardware that the CD does! Most people are only deploying it on a handful of machines, by hand. These people don't have a clue what it's like to deploy systems and services for a large enterprise let alone the likes of Google or Yahoo!

All the more power to Google!

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RE[4]: No thanks Ubuntu.
by ichi on Thu 9th Jul 2009 15:46 in reply to "RE[3]: No thanks Ubuntu."
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

People install Ubuntu because these garbage binary blobs are provided as part of the *default install*. Oh yeah! It's a pandora's box of blob work, just look at the restricted drivers that are provided by default.


I'm pretty sure "garbage binary blobs" are not part of the default install, although they are available for install afterwards. Like in loads of other distros, only that with a specific wizard.

If it was up to binary blobs and proprietary stuff being bundled people would be installing Mint and not Ubuntu.

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RE[5]: No thanks Ubuntu.
by sbergman27 on Thu 9th Jul 2009 16:12 in reply to "RE[4]: No thanks Ubuntu."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I'm pretty sure "garbage binary blobs" are not part of the default install, although they are available for install afterwards.

The pragmatic exception being when the blob is absolutely necessary for first boot. But even so, machines with, for , NVidia video chipsets, come up using the Free "nv" driver. Shortly after first log in, the user is informed that there is a nonfree driver... educated a bit on the meaning and potential downsides of nonfree software, and then is allowed to make his own moral decision. One thing I like about the way Ubuntu does things is that it educates the user, without being overbearing, and then respects the user's decision.

This differs substantially from distros like Xandros and Linspire, which don't bother the user's pretty little head about such things. And from distros like Fedora which refuse to lift a finger to help the user do anything that its devs don't, themselves, approve of.

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RE[4]: No thanks Ubuntu.
by bugjacobs on Thu 9th Jul 2009 19:50 in reply to "RE[3]: No thanks Ubuntu."
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Some computer users WANT an alternative to Windows, but still would like the OS to be appliance-like so having codecs and restricted stuff easily available is neccessary for these users. Myself I use Linux Mint :-)

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