Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jul 2009 12:09 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y During the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, Richard M. Stallman of the Free Software Foundation (and the Superfluous Introduction Award goes to...) gave a keynote speech. Said keynote speech raised a few eyebrows in the Free software community because of a number of questionable remarks regarding women in technology. David "Lefty" Schlesinger, member of the GNOME Advisory Board and active in the mobile open source community, took issue with RMS' remarks and decided to call him out on it. The response he got was... Less than satisfying.
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RE: What an utter non-issue
by concept09 on Thu 9th Jul 2009 14:24 UTC in reply to "What an utter non-issue"
concept09
Member since:
2009-07-09

> Lets cover some really obvious points here.

Ok, let's go.

> If RMS had defined the group as "_men_ who had never used EMACS" no one would have batted an eyelid.

True, in a room full of men that is. Would he dare make such a comment in front of a room with mostly women?...Probably not. What if instead of _men_ he had said Asians? Probably wouldn't bother the white men...but what about the Asian men? I know they'd be insulted.

> [...]which would have been equally stupid if he had referred to a male, so the use of the word "women" is utterly inconsequential.

No, it isn't at all. He wasn't being funny (because it is a stupid joke...I think we can all agree). He was being derogatory, that's the subtext of the joke...without the implication that women aren't good with technology, there is no joke.

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RE[2]: What an utter non-issue
by Ventajou on Thu 9th Jul 2009 14:51 in reply to "RE: What an utter non-issue"
Ventajou Member since:
2006-10-31

without the implication that women aren't good with technology, there is no joke.


It's not a joke, it's a fact... I'm not going to try to figure out what the reasons are, but I've had quite a few tech jobs both in Europe and the US, and I can only remember a few women in tech (IT, development) positions.

Then again, the same can be said of other sectors. How many of you had a woman service your car?

It doesn't mean women are incapable, just that more of them are doing something else.

Now as far as RMS comment goes: if he's correct that no woman ever used emacs; I guess it just means that women are smarter than men.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"without the implication that women aren't good with technology, there is no joke.


It's not a joke, it's a fact... I'm not going to try to figure out what the reasons are, but I've had quite a few tech jobs both in Europe and the US, and I can only remember a few women in tech (IT, development) positions.
"

It is *not* a _fact_.

Just because you don't see many women in technology jobs doesn't mean that they are bad with technology.

I know several women who know a hell of a lot more about technology than I do, and that can do things with electronics that make my head spin. Yet none of them are in tech positions.

It's a _fact_ that there are fewer women in tech positions ... not that they are bad with tech.

Then again, the same can be said of other sectors. How many of you had a woman service your car?


Most of the _really_ good mechanics I know are women. Most of the _hack_ mechanics I know are men. What's your point?

It doesn't mean women are incapable, just that more of them are doing something else.


And yet, your very first line above says the exact opposite.

Now as far as RMS comment goes: if he's correct that no woman ever used emacs; I guess it just means that women are smarter than men.


:) See, now _that's_ a funny joke. ;)

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