Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jul 2009 12:09 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y During the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, Richard M. Stallman of the Free Software Foundation (and the Superfluous Introduction Award goes to...) gave a keynote speech. Said keynote speech raised a few eyebrows in the Free software community because of a number of questionable remarks regarding women in technology. David "Lefty" Schlesinger, member of the GNOME Advisory Board and active in the mobile open source community, took issue with RMS' remarks and decided to call him out on it. The response he got was... Less than satisfying.
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RE[2]: What an utter non-issue
by Ventajou on Thu 9th Jul 2009 14:51 UTC in reply to "RE: What an utter non-issue"
Ventajou
Member since:
2006-10-31

without the implication that women aren't good with technology, there is no joke.


It's not a joke, it's a fact... I'm not going to try to figure out what the reasons are, but I've had quite a few tech jobs both in Europe and the US, and I can only remember a few women in tech (IT, development) positions.

Then again, the same can be said of other sectors. How many of you had a woman service your car?

It doesn't mean women are incapable, just that more of them are doing something else.

Now as far as RMS comment goes: if he's correct that no woman ever used emacs; I guess it just means that women are smarter than men.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"without the implication that women aren't good with technology, there is no joke.


It's not a joke, it's a fact... I'm not going to try to figure out what the reasons are, but I've had quite a few tech jobs both in Europe and the US, and I can only remember a few women in tech (IT, development) positions.
"

It is *not* a _fact_.

Just because you don't see many women in technology jobs doesn't mean that they are bad with technology.

I know several women who know a hell of a lot more about technology than I do, and that can do things with electronics that make my head spin. Yet none of them are in tech positions.

It's a _fact_ that there are fewer women in tech positions ... not that they are bad with tech.

Then again, the same can be said of other sectors. How many of you had a woman service your car?


Most of the _really_ good mechanics I know are women. Most of the _hack_ mechanics I know are men. What's your point?

It doesn't mean women are incapable, just that more of them are doing something else.


And yet, your very first line above says the exact opposite.

Now as far as RMS comment goes: if he's correct that no woman ever used emacs; I guess it just means that women are smarter than men.


:) See, now _that's_ a funny joke. ;)

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Ventajou Member since:
2006-10-31


Just because you don't see many women in technology jobs doesn't mean that they are bad with technology.


Working in the technology field (or any other field) will, in general, build up experience for the individual over the years. I agree that "bad" is not the correct term, but the bottom line is that only women who stay in the field long enough will stay good at it. And since there are less women in the field, less of them are good at it. Unless there are millions of women who fix or program computers as a hidden hobby.


I know several women who know a hell of a lot more about technology than I do, and that can do things with electronics that make my head spin. Yet none of them are in tech positions.

That's hardly enough to generalize. I'm sure many women know more than me about programming, but I'm also convinced that a great many more men know more than me.


It's a _fact_ that there are fewer women in tech positions ... not that they are bad with tech.

I'm sure that most of the women that have a tech position are good at it. But that still makes less women than men, therefore *overall* men are more technologically inclined.


Most of the _really_ good mechanics I know are women. Most of the _hack_ mechanics I know are men. What's your point?

How many mechanics do you know?


And yet, your very first line above says the exact opposite.

Not really. There are plenty of very intelligent women, it just seems that most of them have better things to do that to master emacs or spend the weekend playing with an obscure OS.

:) See, now _that's_ a funny joke. ;)

Well thanks

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