Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jul 2009 12:09 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y During the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, Richard M. Stallman of the Free Software Foundation (and the Superfluous Introduction Award goes to...) gave a keynote speech. Said keynote speech raised a few eyebrows in the Free software community because of a number of questionable remarks regarding women in technology. David "Lefty" Schlesinger, member of the GNOME Advisory Board and active in the mobile open source community, took issue with RMS' remarks and decided to call him out on it. The response he got was... Less than satisfying.
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RE: What's wrong with sexism?
by dagw on Thu 9th Jul 2009 20:58 UTC in reply to "What's wrong with sexism?"
dagw
Member since:
2005-07-06

why can RMS not crack jokes about a specific gender and tech

It's all about context and timing, the specific nature of the joke is really quite irrelevant. Some thing which are fine to say in some situations is inappropriate in others. He made an obviously inappropriate joke in an inappropriate situation. Anybody with any sort of social awareness should be fully aware that saying certain things in certain settings is likely to get a certain response. That doesn't mean you cannot say it, but you cannot act all indignant when you get the expected reaction and people judge you on your actions.

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PrimalDK Member since:
2005-07-12

dagw:

You say "it's all about timing", and I ask: "Who's timing"? Yours? What is "inappropriate"? Who told you so? Did you make that decision on your own? Did your parents teach you? What makes it right/true? What is true? What is right?

I am not preaching relativism, but "anybody with any social awareness" only holds water locally, that is, it's specific to social contexts like culture.

I actually find RMS's indignation refreshing; he finds the hysteria out of proportion, as do I, and wonders - probably - to himself why people will try to restrict others' freedom of speech at every opportunity, but immediately thereafter exercise their own.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

You say "it's all about timing", and I ask: "Who's timing"? Yours?

No. That of the expected audience. Both present and possibly reading transcripts, watching any recorded video, or listening to any recorded audio.

What is "inappropriate"?

That which could reasonably be expected to offend the audience, as specified above.

Who told you so?

In retrospect... I believe we can say: The Audience.

Did you make that decision on your own? Did your parents teach you?

No. The audience has.

What makes it right/true?

Not the point. The point is that he, as an FS leader, advocate, and as close a thing to an official representative as one can imagine, has exercised damned poor judgement and then denied responsibility. Metaphorically speaking, this is something like simply disappearing into the night after the "deflowering", leaving others to face the consequences.

Edited 2009-07-09 21:30 UTC

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dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

You say "it's all about timing", and I ask: "Who's timing"? Yours? What is "inappropriate"? Who told you so? Did you make that decision on your own? Did your parents teach you? What makes it right/true? What is true? What is right?

It's all very simple. It has nothing to do with right/wrong, true/false or any sort of absolute terms. It's all about reactions from your audience. Did you get the reaction you wanted from your audience? Did the audience get the message your where trying to convey? Has the audiences opinion of you changed in the way you wanted?

I am not preaching relativism, but "anybody with any social awareness" only holds water locally, that is, it's specific to social contexts like culture.

Which is why you change your behavior to fit the culture and local context in which you are. A big part of social awareness is to be aware of the local context you are in and adjusting your behavior on the fly. The same message delivered the same way will get you vastly different responses depending on where you are. This should be obvious to most people. It takes only a little bit more awareness to predict that response.

I behave differently when I'm at a pub with close friends than if I'd be discussing business with possible future clients at a nice restaurant. Jokes that I'd happily tell in one setting I wouldn't tell in the other, due to the different cultural and social context.

himself why people will try to restrict others' freedom of speech at every opportunity

Nobody is trying to restrict anybodies free speech. It's not about what you are allowed to say. Just because I criticize your message and how you delivered it does not mean I'm criticizing your right to free speech.

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