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Internet & Networking A day earlier than expected, Microsoft has released version 3 of its Flash alternative Silverlight, including a number of related tools to aid in Silverlight development. It comes with a whole lot of new features.
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RE[5]: Wow
by greatbob6 on Fri 10th Jul 2009 05:03 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Wow"
greatbob6
Member since:
2009-07-09

You LIKE being manipulated and ripped off by big corporate interests?

Strange person.

Tell me, do you believe that you own your own machines?

BTW, the category of "web client machines" is a lot bigger than "desktop machines" and therefore bigger again than "Windows machines". The latter category, "Windows machines", would represent only a part of the world's "web client machines".


How am I being manipulated or ripped off by big corporations? Or at least by MS in this case? (I hate the fact that Comcast has no real competition in my area.)

And yes, I do own my machines. MS may try to claim that they own they copy of Windows on my machine and that I am merely licensing it from them (which is true) but I have the choice to not run Windows if I don't want to. I am knowledgeable and aware of the alternatives, but at this time I choose to run Windows because I find it to be the best product at the time. I have honestly considered switching to PC-BSD because I'm a big FreeBSD fan but I decided against it simply because I like Windows.

Although many people will disagree with this, but in my experience Windows just works. I don't have to mess with configuration files and compile sound card drivers or any junk like that to just run my machine. I run a FreeBSD server with Apache, PostgreSQL, and various other services and its awesome...haven't had a problem with it. It just runs. I'm familiar with Unix-like systems and I enjoy learning more about them and technology in general, but I've made the conscious choice to stay with Windows because I don't want to have to screw with it just to be able to browse the web or listen to music or play a game. For me, for now, it just works.

As for the whole "web client machines" vs "Windows machines" thing, you are correct. Probably the biggest category of "web client machines" would be cellphones...but how many of those support HTML 5? And yes, "Windows machines" is a subset of "desktop machines" but just barely. At least 90% of "desktop machines" are "Windows machines", and most of the rest are "OSX machines"...which can run Silverlight. And yes, I do know that PowerPC macs can't run Silverlight but I'm not terribly surprised...even Apple isn't supporting PowerPC any more.

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RE[6]: Wow
by lemur2 on Fri 10th Jul 2009 05:09 in reply to "RE[5]: Wow"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

And yes, I do own my machines.


No you don't. Didn't you just admit that Microsoft has control over what is installed on your machine? If Microsoft control it, how can you claim ownership of it with a straight face?

MS may try to claim that they own they copy of Windows on my machine and that I am merely licensing it from them (which is true) but I have the choice to not run Windows if I don't want to.


Microsoft's control of market channels for desktop computers is such that you don't have a choice not to buy Windows (unless you do as I do and assemble together your own machines from component parts).

If you don't have any effective choice, you are not a true owner of the property.

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RE[7]: Wow
by greatbob6 on Fri 10th Jul 2009 05:25 in reply to "RE[6]: Wow"
greatbob6 Member since:
2009-07-09

"And yes, I do own my machines.


No you don't. Didn't you just admit that Microsoft has control over what is installed on your machine? If Microsoft control it, how can you claim ownership of it with a straight face?

MS may try to claim that they own they copy of Windows on my machine and that I am merely licensing it from them (which is true) but I have the choice to not run Windows if I don't want to.


Microsoft's control of market channels for desktop computers is such that you don't have a choice not to buy Windows (unless you do as I do and assemble together your own machines from component parts).

If you don't have any effective choice, you are not a true owner of the property.
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I do own my machine, and I do have control over what is installed on it. By putting Windows on my machine I do give them some ability to have an influence over it but I ultimately have the choice to remove it. Microsoft has no direct control over my machine, they have no authority to come to my house and make me put Windows back on if I choose to remove it. In fact, if I disable Automatic Updates (which I do) they don't (or at least shouldn't) have the ability to install anything without my permission. Now, I do understand that they may have the ability to install something covertly but I choose to take that risk because I know there are alternatives if they do something I truly dislike.

And I totally disagree with you that Microsoft controls the market so much that you can't get a machine without Windows. I could go to Dell right now and buy a machine without Windows. Or I could go the route you do and build my own machines, which I have done the last couple of machines I've bought. The thing is that Windows is something that people know so they don't ask for anything different, and in my opinion the only alternative that is usable by the general public is OSX and Apple's machines are too much money. I honestly think that Apple could gain huge market share if they had cheaper machines (I might buy one).

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RE[6]: Wow
by puenktchen on Fri 10th Jul 2009 09:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Wow"
puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

And yes, I do know that PowerPC macs can't run Silverlight but I'm not terribly surprised...even Apple isn't supporting PowerPC any more.


but ms does offer silverlight for osx on ppc. wimre they skipped version 2, but they seem to offer a download for this new version (or at least the article says so - i'll test it later).

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RE[7]: Wow
by puenktchen on Fri 10th Jul 2009 10:37 in reply to "RE[6]: Wow"
puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

but ms does offer silverlight for osx on ppc. wimre they skipped version 2, but they seem to offer a download for this new version (or at least the article says so - i'll test it later).


ups, sorry - no, they don't. only silverlight v1 for all ppc-macs.
well, i think i will get along without v3 just fine.

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