Linked by Kroc Camen on Mon 13th Jul 2009 22:55 UTC
Podcasts We keep this week's podcast simple. Just two topics: Mono (finally some movement from Microsoft!) and Google's vapid Chrome OS announcement. However, to top this up with a full bodied flavour, we cover your feedback on last week's show.
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RE[3]: CUPS!
by Philip Grant on Thu 16th Jul 2009 01:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: CUPS!"
Philip Grant
Member since:
2008-12-28

Hi Kroc!
If BeOS had all the underpinnings to make a perfect operating system, it's interesting that Apple wouldn't pay the $200 million asking price, but would pay over double that for NeXTstep. If BeOS had it all, does that imply that Haiku, the free rewrite of the OS, is going to develop into the perfect operating system? I hate to ask, but why is that then? I come to learn from those who know!

So, in your eyes, discussion of future developments of OS interfaces, spoken, gestural, 3d, augmented reality, security, software distribution, packages, system architecture, distributed, web, always on, instant on, integrated, embedded and converged in products will always bring us back to BeOS... OK, is Haiku all our futures?

I would guess everyone who comes to OSnews is dreaming of changes to make life better, what will those changes be? If Linux is now so patched and layered that it's now unstable or, at least, not optimal, what comes next?

I'd like people's opinions on why no one is developing an OS on Apple's Darwin kernel, if it's good enough for what is generally thought of as the best OS out there now. What is the most rationalised kernel to build on? Why did Apple choose their direction and what would they choose now or would they start from scratch? Why did google choose Linux for Chrome? Where should Windows go from here? Start afresh? With what?

I'm sure that everyone has some part of the answers. I know Thom believes there are better ways as he's written of his own ideas. Would love to hear more opinions.

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RE[4]: CUPS!
by Kroc on Thu 16th Jul 2009 12:02 in reply to "RE[3]: CUPS!"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I’m not sure what you’re asking really. Haiku is a reimplementation of a 2001 OS, it is not a 2009 OS designed for 2009. Compatibility first.

Had BeOS been the No.1 OS, or at least in a decent situation like OS X, then the period of 2001–2009 would have seen steady improvement of BeOS into what I would deem the best OS ever.

As it stands Haiku still hasn’t got on its feet and certainly will never be mainstream.

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RE[5]: CUPS!
by Philip Grant on Thu 16th Jul 2009 14:55 in reply to "RE[4]: CUPS!"
Philip Grant Member since:
2008-12-28

I suppose what I'm asking is, if BeOS was so good in its time, if it was the best foundation for future development then, would it still be now? If not, what would be the best foundation to develop on now? If it was the best foundation of ideas, then, why wouldn't there be more push with Haiku or something similar?

I'm interested to learn about what makes the best architecture and why? There are going to be lots of opinions. Thom has just asked, what features are lacking in your OS? I think most people would agree on a core of features they would like to see, but how do you get there? What influence does the chosen kernel have on creating a foundation for feature completeness. Perhaps it's only the developers working on the kernels who really start to see the limitations of that kernel, and after such investment to develop the thing, it's impossible to make major architectural changes. For example, I read rumours that the Mach kernel in Darwin is a limitation, but perhaps Apple are stuck with it.

You might not have those answers Kroc, and perhaps others at OSNews may not, but the reason I come to your site is to find those answers, to raise my awareness, to anticipate where the industry is going so that I might support those who seem to know those answers and are trying to bring about something better. They are not easy questions to answer, for me, operating systems are so complex, but I'm sure that the readers, between them, know those answers... which is why I'd love to hear invited opinion, open opinion and discussion on such matters.

Would very much like to see a series of articles on the subject of how to get to where we want to be. Perhaps invited opinion pieces by people in the industry or through a call for voluntary submissions. Perhaps just posing provocative questions for comment as Thom has just done.

Thanks for all the work you must all put in to bring us the news, research and write your pieces. You've made OSNews my favourite site to visit.

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RE[4]: CUPS!
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 16th Jul 2009 14:30 in reply to "RE[3]: CUPS!"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Apple bought NEXT because it got them Steve.

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