Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 16th Jul 2009 12:51 UTC
Microsoft I'm sure most of you are aware of the advertisements going back and forth between Apple and Microsoft. Apple started out with the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" campiagn, and Microsoft responded - after a long wait - with the "Laptop Hunters" ads. Recently, Apple made some price cuts, and according to Microsoft, the Cupertino company's lawyers contacted Microsoft, demanding they take down the ads.
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RE: And in other news...
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 16th Jul 2009 13:30 UTC in reply to "And in other news..."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

... Thom needs to stop watching bad SciFi!!! DS-9 was pitiful, as was much of the rest of the Next Gen universe!


ST:NG is awful, one of the worst sci-fi series of all time, as is most of the rest of the ST universe. DS9, however, is one of my favourite shows of all time. I ADORE it.

I know it won't make me any friends with such words, though.

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by BluenoseJake on Thu 16th Jul 2009 13:57 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

This is the first time I've ever lost respect for you Thom, TNG was awesome, it was really DS9 that sucked.

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RE[3]: And in other news...
by nbensa on Thu 16th Jul 2009 14:14 in reply to "RE[2]: And in other news..."
nbensa Member since:
2005-08-29

This is the first time I've ever lost respect for you Thom, TNG was awesome, it was really DS9 that sucked.


Absolutely

+10e100 to you

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RE[3]: And in other news...
by Drumhellar on Thu 16th Jul 2009 19:01 in reply to "RE[2]: And in other news..."
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

You guys are both wrong. TNG and DS9 were both really good shows: TNG because it is Star Trek, DS9 because it's just a damn good show by itself.

It's Voyager that was terrible. Enterprise was better, but not by much.

TNG had awesome characters, and especially later on in the series when they had time to mature, there were frequently great episodes, although my favorite Star Trek episode ever was in season 2 (The Measure of a Man).
It was also much closer to Roddenberry's optimistic vision of the future.

It's not fair to say TNG "Isn't" Star Trek because it differs from the original series. It was a Roddenberry creation, after all, and it was on the air for 7 years, vs Kirk an company's 3 years. (I'm using that as a metric of quality, only the extra time gives it more weight when defining what Star Trek is) It also had a similar track record on dealing with the social issues of the day.

DS9 was frickin' awesome, not in the same way though. While the darkness of the series drove away some viewers, it's broad story arc made it an excellent, well-planned series. The characters were all really good, and it actually ended, unlike TNG which just kinda stopped.

Voyager was more than just terrible Star Trek: It was terrible television. It was way to reliant on the particle-of-the-week to save the day. While TNG's Borg episodes were tense and kept you on the edge of your seat, Voyager's Borg episodes boiled down to "What new weapon mod is going to shoot out of Tuvok's butt this time?" Voyager quickly removed all sense of danger from the Borg.

Enterprise was better, but Archer was inconsistent. He couldn't be relied on to make moral decisions. None of the other Captains would have tortured anybody. He frequently succumbed to desperation, especially during season 3. Picard could always be relied on to do the moral thing.
The other characters were all good, though.

I won't say anything about the original series, though. I'm way to young. Television, as a whole, was completely different when that show was on, and there is no way I can view the show in the correct context. All I have to say is, just being the original isn't enough to be make it the best. Ideas do evolve and grow over time.

But, I could talk all frickin' day though...

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RE[3]: And in other news...
by Phloptical on Fri 17th Jul 2009 00:21 in reply to "RE[2]: And in other news..."
Phloptical Member since:
2006-10-10

I'll second that. DS9 sucked hairy moose testes. TNG was far and away the better series with the better cast.

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by nbensa on Thu 16th Jul 2009 14:13 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
nbensa Member since:
2005-08-29

ST:NG is awful,


Watch your words or they'll come back and hurt you.

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by JMcCarthy on Thu 16th Jul 2009 14:25 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
JMcCarthy Member since:
2005-08-12

I'm one of the few that agrees with you. The persecution will never end. (fail).

DS-9 was great SciFi because it was bad Star Trek. TNG had it's moments, but there was nothing special about it. I've found most of the people I know who like it, like to pretend Season 1 doesn't even exist.

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RE[3]: And in other news...
by sukru on Thu 16th Jul 2009 14:49 in reply to "RE[2]: And in other news..."
sukru Member since:
2006-11-19

I've found most of the people I know who like it, like to pretend Season 1 doesn't even exist.


Yes, you should ignore season 1, maybe except for the first episode (which has recurring plot references). When I started TNG, I had nothing else, otherwise I could've never gone beyond the beginning and see better stuff.

But am I the only one that like all of TNG, DS9, and Voyager (to some extent, except for the captain and her first officer)?

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

season what?

Season 1 is actually very much classic ST in its set design and acting.

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by CaptainN- on Thu 16th Jul 2009 15:36 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

DS9 was a lot like BSG - not Sci-Fi. ;-P

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by anduril on Thu 16th Jul 2009 22:00 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
anduril Member since:
2005-11-11

ST:NG is def the best of the series but I cant stand DS9. It was such a blatant rip off of Babylon 5 its not even funny. Even the finale where Sisqo jumps into the fire or off the cliff or whatever the hell he did was a complete joke on Babylon5.

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by sbergman27 on Fri 17th Jul 2009 02:09 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

ST:NG is awful, one of the worst sci-fi series of all time, as is most of the rest of the ST universe. DS9, however, is one of my favourite shows of all time. I ADORE it.

TOS was great. ST1-4 and ST6 were even better. All the rest pale by comparison. I kinda liked Enterprise, though.

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RE[2]: And in other news...
by milatchi on Sun 19th Jul 2009 05:59 in reply to "RE: And in other news..."
milatchi Member since:
2005-08-29

DS9 is okay, but I think TNG is the better show.

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