Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Sep 2005 22:40 UTC, submitted by Danijel Orsolic
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "This follow-up to the previously published article 'Ubuntu: Derivative or Fork?' takes into account most of everything that has been posted as a reaction to the first article to present a general opinion and compare them with facts derived from various resouces. You'll see that peace can be achieved between these two, and ultimately any GNU/Linux group out there."
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RE[2]: My Response
by Angryanderson on Wed 28th Sep 2005 11:06 UTC in reply to "RE: My Response"
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Shuttleworth and the Debian team had a discussion about this. Ubuntu WAS compatable with Sid when Hoary was released. When Ubuntu makes a release, they completely freeze all packages, with no version upgrades. Even RHEL has version upgrades for certain apps (Gaim is one that comes to mind). Debian upgraded libc to fix some problems with some of their architectures, and thus it was Debian that broke compatability, not Ubuntu. Shuttleworth was actually incredibly reasonable, he said that neither team should hold the other back and if they need to diverge for a period to acheive their own goals, then thats what should be done. He said he wouldn't feel right forcing Debian to stray from their goals to maintain Ubuntu compatability, just like Debian shouldn't force Ubuntu to stray from his goals.

Debian sid (and etch) now have the same glibc version as Ubuntu, so that should be no problem.

A good example of Debian and Ubuntu choosing different roads to a common destination is the introduction of X.Org in Debian after the sarge release and their way towards the modular X.Org release (7.0). Ubuntu helped to make Debian's transition to X.Org quicker but Debian decided to diverge from Ubuntu's way with the modular X.Org. However, once X.Org 7.0 has been released and they've both got it packaged, there are plans to converge Debian's and Ubuntu's packages so that the collaboration and sharing of patches between these two distros can continue.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00865.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00882.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00888.html

As it seems, Ubuntu will release breezy badger with X.Org 6.8.2 and introduce X.Org 7.0 in dapper drake. And Debian has already X.Org 6.9RC0 packaged and available in experimental. So independence and cooperation are not mutually exclusive. :-)

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