Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Jul 2009 14:33 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Both IDC and Gartner have released their preliminary figures on the state of the US and worldwide PC market, and while both companies agree that overall, the market declined about 3-5% worldwide, they differ when it comes to the figures of Apple. Quite interesting.
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Apple
by qunying on Fri 17th Jul 2009 16:23 UTC
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I guess the other part of the world (other than Americas) is more concern on performance/money ratio, Apple for me is just too pricey for their hardware, I would rather spend the money on other brand and get much more better hardware.

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RE: Apple
by darknexus on Fri 17th Jul 2009 16:41 in reply to "Apple"
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2008-07-15

I think it's more that Apple does not adjust their prices according to the expectations of different parts of the world, rather they usually just convert their USD figure to whatever the local currency is and sell it at that price. In the U.S, Apple is really not that overpriced by comparison to others--yes, you do pay a little extra, but the difference is nowhere near what it is in other parts of the world. Add this to the fact that Apple really concentrates its marketing and other compaigns in the US as opposed to elseware and I think that explains why Apple is rising so much over here. Oh, plus, when you call Apple you usually get someone who speaks English, not some outsourced person from who knows where that you can barely understand and who pretends his name is "Fred" or "Steve." A lot of us over here in the US are not very forgiving of that sort of thing, to be honest, when we say we want someone who speaks English we mean it. I, for one, would expect no less if I called somewhere and said I wanted someone who spoke any other language, being able to understand the customer and be understood by them is very important. Apple has put a lot of effort into its US customer base, though sadly they seem to ignore the rest of the world at the same time.

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RE[2]: Apple
by shotsman on Fri 17th Jul 2009 18:00 in reply to "RE: Apple"
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2005-07-22

Here in the UK it is not uncommon for companies like Adobe, Apple & even Microsoft to use the

£1 == $1 exchange rate

even though the current rate is

£1 == $1.62 (or thereabouts)

Which is is why it is almost worth flying to NYC and buying Adobe Creative Suite there even with NY's sales tax.

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RE[2]: Apple
by unclefester on Fri 17th Jul 2009 22:39 in reply to "RE: Apple"
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I think it's more that Apple does not adjust their prices according to the expectations of different parts of the world, rather they usually just convert their USD figure to whatever the local currency is and sell it at that price.

This simply isn't true. In Australia Apple charges at least 50% higher than US prices. Apple prices are at least twice those of equivalent PCs.

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RE: Apple
by kaiwai on Sat 18th Jul 2009 01:05 in reply to "Apple"
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2005-07-06

I guess the other part of the world (other than Americas) is more concern on performance/money ratio, Apple for me is just too pricey for their hardware, I would rather spend the money on other brand and get much more better hardware.


I wouldn't agree; many times it is availability that dictates whether or not one purchases something. New Zealand not to long ago the only places you could purchase Apple Mac's from were Mac based stores, the largest reseller being Magnummac. Flash forward to 2009 and now you can purchase them from big name retailers like Dick Smith, Harvey Norman, Noel Leeming, Bond & Bond.

For some products there are massive lead times - why is Amazon only selling their Music in the US? why are they only selling their Kindle in the US? why are they only selling their eBooks in the US? For those of us outside the US, if we can't access it or accessing a product is prohibitively complex and convoluted, we aren't going to bother.

As for their hardware being too pricey - on what metric? you *REALLY* think that the dollars you save are going to make up for just how cruddy Windows is? great, so you save $300 but inherit the pain of running a third rate operating system as a result (LInux isn't even relevant on the desktop due to the lack of third party commercial software for the desktop and shonky hardware support (ath5k driver corrupting downloads anyone?)) really worth the money saved? I spent 1month with Windows Vista and I quickly sold the Lenovo laptop (after owning it for 1 month), took the hit in value drop and purchased a MacBook (before owning a Lenovo, I owned a MacBook); that is how horrible Windows is. There isn't a single redeeming feature of it - but if you're expectations are low and the only exposure to computers are computers running Windows then you'll be thrilled by almost any damn thing thrown on the market (hence the reason you have so many Windows -> Linux converts and very few Mac -> Linux converts).

Edited 2009-07-18 01:12 UTC

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RE[2]: Apple
by qunying on Mon 20th Jul 2009 20:32 in reply to "RE: Apple"
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2008-06-04

As for their hardware being too pricey - on what metric? you *REALLY* think that the dollars you save are going to make up for just how cruddy Windows is? great, so you save $300 but inherit the pain of running a third rate operating system as a result (LInux isn't even relevant on the desktop due to the lack of third party commercial software for the desktop and shonky hardware support (ath5k driver corrupting downloads anyone?)) really worth the money saved? I spent 1month with Windows Vista and I quickly sold the Lenovo laptop (after owning it for 1 month), took the hit in value drop and purchased a MacBook (before owning a Lenovo, I owned a MacBook); that is how horrible Windows is. There isn't a single redeeming feature of it - but if you're expectations are low and the only exposure to computers are computers running Windows then you'll be thrilled by almost any damn thing thrown on the market (hence the reason you have so many Windows -> Linux converts and very few Mac -> Linux converts).


For me, I run Linux exclusively, and I am happy with it. I only purchase hardware that is compatible with Linux. I could afford Apple, but for the same price, I could get much better hardware (faster CPU, more RAM, more disk, etc. ....)

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