Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Jul 2009 10:17 UTC
Xfce While we regularly discuss Ubuntu, and to a lesser degree Kubuntu, there's also a version of Ubuntu tailor-made for the Xfce desktop environment. As most of you are aware, it's called Xubuntu, and after trying it out for the first time, I have to say that I find that it provides a better and more coherent experience than Ubuntu (let alone Kubuntu).
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RE[3]: Kubuntus problem is
by anda_skoa on Sat 18th Jul 2009 13:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Kubuntus problem is "
anda_skoa
Member since:
2005-07-07


Could be, still besides my point.

Then I probably didn't get your point. I though it was about companies being actively involved in development of Free Software desktop stacks by employing key developers.


OK, one more. Bo is at KDAB.

You need to update more often ;)
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3908

I just mentioned the distro guys, because you need at least a few dozen to really shape a distro and release a quality product if you want to release every 6 month.

I am pretty sure all of the distributors have "a few dozen" people working on their products.
My guess would actually be several hundred.

And even with a dozen you won't do a lot of development or polishing. Mainly you do bug fixing.

Yeah, one of the unfortunate side effects of employment. The individuals will work on Free Software full time but usually more on company related things than the project they came from.
Which is why contracts like Aaron Seigo's are so special as they allow them to work in their original project at all times.

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RE[4]: Kubuntus problem is
by kragil on Sat 18th Jul 2009 14:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Kubuntus problem is "
kragil Member since:
2006-01-04


Then I probably didn't get your point. I though it was about companies being actively involved in development of Free Software desktop stacks by employing key developers.


No my point was that KDE does not get a lot of attention from distributors. Qt does not really matter in that regard.


You need to update more often ;)
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3908


OK, I stand corrected. It is three now, maybe even four. But Riddel was for a very long time the only one that was employed to work on Kubuntu. And it shows.

I am pretty sure all of the distributors have "a few dozen" people working on their products.
My guess would actually be several hundred.


Not on the KDE part they don't. The biggest distributor has exactly zero.


Yeah, one of the unfortunate side effects of employment. The individuals will work on Free Software full time but usually more on company related things than the project they came from.
Which is why contracts like Aaron Seigo's are so special as they allow them to work in their original project at all times.


This I don't get. Which company related things would that be for Canonical, Novell etc. other than making the KDE part of the product good and advance it??

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RE[5]: Kubuntus problem is
by anda_skoa on Sat 18th Jul 2009 15:32 in reply to "RE[4]: Kubuntus problem is "
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07


No my point was that KDE does not get a lot of attention from distributors. Qt does not really matter in that regard.

Ah, I see. That wasn't obvious from your first posting, you wrote "GTK/GNOME developers" so I though you included people working on libraries as well.


Not on the KDE part they don't.

Why do you think so?
They create and ship all the relevant packages, they maintain not-yet-upstream patches fixing problems on their distributions, they provide fixes to their paying (enterprise) customers, etc.

Sure, KDE is a well engineered product and might not require dozens of people working on it, but since those things don't miraculously do themselves, there must be some humans doing it ;)


The biggest distributor has exactly zero.

Since Novell and Red Hat have people working on KDE, that would then be Oracle? Or maybe Microsoft?


This I don't get. Which company related things would that be for Canonical, Novell etc. other than making the KDE part of the product good and advance it??


They could be working on things like the SUSE Build service, products for customers, internal applications, customer support, training interns, attending conferences, writing papers and so on.

Stuff employers expect their employees to do.
Only very few people are lucky enough to get fellow status and be allowed to work full time outside the usual corporate workload.

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