Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Jul 2009 19:16 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris The Linux desktop has come a long way. It's a fully usable, stable, and secure operating system that can be used quite easily by the masses. Not too long ago, Sun figured they could do the same by starting Project Indiana, which is supposed to deliver a complete distribution of OpenSolaris in a manner similar to GNU/Linux. After using the latest version for a while, I'm wondering: why?
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RE: SXCE
by binarycrusader on Mon 20th Jul 2009 20:49 UTC in reply to "SXCE"
binarycrusader
Member since:
2005-07-06

I honestly don't know why people bother trying opensolaris. Its crap. Solaris Express Community Edition (SXCE) is where its at. OpenSolaris is based on SXCE, but with the IPS package manager. I never really liked IPS when I tried opensolaris. However, it will take a little more effort to get SXCE into a usable desktop form.


There are always trolls bitter about the change in packaging systems, but in short, the new package system is still light years better than the old one in terms of usability.

The old SVR4 packaging system was positively ancient compared to almost any other modern packaging system: no unicode support, no remote search capability, primitive publication tools, no dependency analysis or constraint capabilities, required downloading entire package for upgrades instead of only changes, arbitrary limits on lengths of package names and descriptions, and was not designed to accommodate third-party network repository usage.

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RE[2]: SXCE
by adricnet on Tue 21st Jul 2009 05:12 in reply to "RE: SXCE"
adricnet Member since:
2005-07-01

SXCE is OpenSolaris plus a bunch of useful nonfree packages.

It's not a troll to ask why they didn't just use the Debian package system (or rpm or) instead of rolling their own and leaving their would-be users with very few packages and new buggy tools to annoy.

And that Ian was involved in this ... it hurts my brain.

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RE[3]: SXCE
by glynnfoster on Tue 21st Jul 2009 16:09 in reply to "RE[2]: SXCE"
glynnfoster Member since:
2009-07-21

"It's not a troll to ask why they didn't just use the Debian package system (or rpm or) instead of rolling their own and leaving their would-be users with very few packages and new buggy tools to annoy."

A lot of people have asked this question, and a lot of it has been around the fact that to do package management on OpenSolaris you have to worry about a lot of other things that are substantially different compared to Linux - SMF, various virtualization technologies, ZFS, etc... The thought was the number of patches it would take to port dpkg/rpm/whatever across would be pretty substantial with a strong likelihood of having to maintain them since they wouldn't get merged upstream. IPS is evolving technology and does have issues, but it's getting better and better with every release (we hope to solve the package renaming issues to move away from confusing SUNW prefixes with the next release btw)

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