Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Jul 2009 19:16 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris The Linux desktop has come a long way. It's a fully usable, stable, and secure operating system that can be used quite easily by the masses. Not too long ago, Sun figured they could do the same by starting Project Indiana, which is supposed to deliver a complete distribution of OpenSolaris in a manner similar to GNU/Linux. After using the latest version for a while, I'm wondering: why?
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RE[7]: personal impressions...
by Kebabbert on Wed 22nd Jul 2009 08:25 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: personal impressions..."
Kebabbert
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2007-07-27

"So, again, a simple question. Take some up-to-date GNU/Linux distribution and a current OpenSolaris installment, and just compare the desktop UI and the applications bundled with them (i.o.w. no command-line tools like dtrace and no system infrastructure like ZFS). What, exclusively talking about the _desktop_ sphere, does OpenSolaris offer that the GNU/Linux distribution doesn't?"

If you compare the Desktop UI and the applications in OpenSolaris to Linux, there is no difference. But that is THE reason why OpenSolaris was being made. It should look similar to Linux, but offer an Server Enterprise OS with unique features for servers and developers.

If OpenSolaris didnt look similar to Linux, then there would be many more complaints. Trust me, this is a fact. For instance, Solaris has a different userland than GNU/Linux and there are lots of complaints "Solaris behaves strangely, it is not Linux". The answer is: "Correct observation, because it is Unix. Not Linux. Talk to real Unix gurus and _they_ think Linux behaves strangely". Somehow people think that Linux is the "original" and Unix is an offspring when it is in fact the opposite. SUN has to adopt to the changing market by releasing OpenSolaris. And now when OpenSolaris is similar to Linux, there are other complaints "why does OpenSolaris look like Linux??? I do not want that!!!". But, yes you do. You want it to look like Linux. Trust me.



As for JavaFX, I dont agree with you. To me it is natural that a company wants to satisfy the majority of it's customers. For instance, consider these scenarios where we have two different bugs that need to be adressed, one at a time. One bug affects a minority of your customer and the other affects the majority.
1) Address the minority of your customers first, and then take care of the bug that affects the majority.
2) Adress the majority first, and then take care of the bug that affects the minority.

If I were a manager, I would choose scenario 2) first. To me it is obvious, but I understand that there are people not sharing my view. JavaFX arrives first to Windows, then OpenSolaris. This is a correct strategic decision by SUN - and not dumb. In my point of view.

I rather prioritize a majority of people sick in the swine flue, and afterwards tend to the minority which has asthma, allergy, etc - than vice versa. The majority first, then the minority.

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RE[8]: personal impressions...
by kawazu on Wed 22nd Jul 2009 08:46 in reply to "RE[7]: personal impressions..."
kawazu Member since:
2005-12-11


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should look similar to Linux, but offer an Server Enterprise OS with unique features for servers and developers.


Yes. That's what I mean, and that's what I think OpenSolaris is - an operating system with a set of incredibly smart and helpful feature for _servers_. Nice to see we agree here. ;)





"Solaris behaves strangely, it is not Linux". The answer is: "Correct observation, because it is Unix.
Not Linux. Talk to real Unix gurus and _they_ think Linux behaves strangely".


No. A "real" Unix guru will know how to make her/himself home on be that Solaris or HP-UX or AIX or GNU/Linux or any *BSD system rather quickly. This comparison sort of reminds me of an MSCE used to Windows complaining that Linux behaves strangely because it behaves different to Windows. Whatever.



Somehow people think that Linux is the "original" and Unix is an offspring when it is in fact the opposite.


No. Those who are deep enough into technical details to really care know rather well what Linux is, compared to the Unix history (== an "open source re-implementation" of Unix created in days in which no one eventually dared to think about something like an "open" Solaris). And those who don't know, the "end users" and desktop users, don't care anyhow, they also won't care about MacOS X partly being a *BSD system. They simply want work to be done.



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1) Address the minority of your customers first, and then take care of the bug that affects the majority.
2) Adress the majority first, and then take care of the bug that affects the minority.
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This works out perfectly well as long as you have only one product to sell and not at all worry about whether marketing one product might drive potential customers away from other products you offer at the same time. I don't even think this would have required to put priority to the OpenSolaris version of JavaFX. But, the message that comes across here is: "You chose our developer operating system? Well sorry to say so but you've become a second class citizen regarding our JavaFX technology, but thanks for choosing our operating system nevertheless." From an operating system customer (and yes, being into OpenSolaris I am _also_ directly a Sun customer), this is surely to influence future decisions in that direction, as I might wonder whether I always will stay a second class citizen when choosing that very system...

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RE[9]: personal impressions...
by Jondice on Wed 22nd Jul 2009 15:22 in reply to "RE[8]: personal impressions..."
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2006-09-20

So, I think there is a version of javafx sdk for Solaris now: http://javafx.com/

I could also run the demos fine in Firefox on Solaris.

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