Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jul 2009 22:53 UTC, submitted by Remy Chi Jian Suen
Editorial So, Microsoft submits 20000 lines of code to the Linux kernel, all licensed under the GPL. Microsoft, who considers Linux a great threat, and once called the GPL a "cancer". Opinions on this one are flying all around us, but what does Linus Torvalds, Linux' benevolent dictator, think about all this?
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RE: Embrace Extend Extinguish
by Hiev on Fri 24th Jul 2009 01:36 UTC in reply to "Embrace Extend Extinguish"
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

Microsoft has a long history of very dirty business tactics

True, but there is another one who has done worse thinks and nobody say anything, yes, im talking about IBM.

But since IBM donates money to the FSF nobody dares to say anything.

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RE[2]: Embrace Extend Extinguish
by lemur2 on Fri 24th Jul 2009 01:57 in reply to "RE: Embrace Extend Extinguish"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Microsoft has a long history of very dirty business tactics True, but there is another one who has done worse thinks and nobody say anything, yes, im talking about IBM.


Historically, yes, correct. IBM had a huge anti-trust case against it for this.

IBM's reaction was to change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely.

But since IBM donates money to the FSF nobody dares to say anything.


Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else. See the above comment about "change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely". This is an excellent example of exactly that turn-around.

Microsoft also had a huge anti-trust case against it. Microsoft's response was to turn the DOJ around completely, and utterly corrupt them. Now we have the US government anti-trust investigators saying things like "Microsoft is not the problem" and going after Google.

Can you say "stooges"? Can you say "bought"?

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Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

IBM changed?

Just search for google for their latest unetique behavior, it was a few months ago.

But MS is the horse to beat, right?

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

IBM's reaction was to change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely


Comedy gold. Google is also not evil.

Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else.


You don't seriously think they do that for some altruistic reasons, do you? It benefits them to do so and the moment it no longer does they'll stop.

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spanglywires Member since:
2006-10-23

IBM's reaction was to change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely.

Hehe, you've obviously never dealt with the money grabbing monster that is International Business Machines. Its interesting that Linus brings them up, as they are the epitome of big bad business in a way that Microsoft can only have wet dreams about.

Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else. See the above comment about "change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely". This is an excellent example of exactly that turn-around.

Remember the B in IBM. Where they donate code it is only to ditch unmarketable internal code to boost their open source credentials or to kick a rival (eg Eclipse vs Netbeans). Linux is 'tolerated' only to the expense of SPARC/Solaris at IBM, when the shoe is on the other foot and AIX starts losing share to Linux watch the stance change.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

IBM did unspeakable things in the past. The cloned BIOS was a response to the desktop monopoly they held. Affordable IBM pricing only came after true competition with them in the general software market.

I see two differences though, IBM was knocked out of the top position and has since aged. They promote FOSS solutions and directly provide service contracts for multiple OS including FOSS platforms. They also contribute a huge amount of code along with being a member of the FOSS patent guild (whatever the exact name of that is). IBM's abuse of the market and consumer is mostly in the past unless there is some ongoing predatory practice I've not heard about; and if there is, I want to hear about it.

IBM, like any inherently amoral big business, should be considered with healthy skepticism.

On the other hand, MS abuses of the market are very recent and predatory practices seem to be ongoing. They are still basing marketing campaigns on attacking FOSS in general and Linux specifically. If they demonstrate and ongoing history of promoting and supporting FOSS either as a business service or through code submission and patent agreements and similar good-will participation. As it stands now, the history remains too recent to be comparing them to IBM though MS could also manage to outlast there own negative history.

Edited 2009-07-24 14:12 UTC

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