Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jul 2009 22:53 UTC, submitted by Remy Chi Jian Suen
Editorial So, Microsoft submits 20000 lines of code to the Linux kernel, all licensed under the GPL. Microsoft, who considers Linux a great threat, and once called the GPL a "cancer". Opinions on this one are flying all around us, but what does Linus Torvalds, Linux' benevolent dictator, think about all this?
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RE[6]: I agree...
by Hiev on Fri 24th Jul 2009 01:46 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: I agree..."
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

Looks like you are trying to justify the hate to MS at any cost, But hate whatever it comes from id bad.

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RE[7]: I agree...
by lemur2 on Fri 24th Jul 2009 02:03 in reply to "RE[6]: I agree..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Looks like you are trying to justify the hate to MS at any cost, But hate whatever it comes from id bad.


True.

But please recognise that the hate is coming from Microsoft in the first instance. If anyone (including Microsoft) wants to stop it ... then that is where it must be stopped ... at the source from whence it comes.

If Microsoft were to stop hating FOSS, then there is absolutely no reason why Microsoft cannot be treated by FOSS in a similar fashion as any of the companies whose logo is visible on this page:

http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about_members.php

or this one:

http://www.patentcommons.org/

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RE[8]: I agree...
by B12 Simon on Fri 24th Jul 2009 09:28 in reply to "RE[7]: I agree..."
B12 Simon Member since:
2006-11-08

But please recognise that the hate is coming from Microsoft in the first instance. If anyone (including Microsoft) wants to stop it ... then that is where it must be stopped ... at the source from whence it comes.


"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi.

Who cares who started it? Let the open source community be the ones to end it!

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RE[8]: I agree...
by Soulbender on Fri 24th Jul 2009 11:13 in reply to "RE[7]: I agree..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

For the longest of time Microsoft didn't even give a damn about Linux yet there was much hating coming from some FOSS supporters. Obviously it's not only one side that's to blame.

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RE[7]: I agree...
by niemau on Fri 24th Jul 2009 03:20 in reply to "RE[6]: I agree..."
niemau Member since:
2007-06-28

Looks like you are trying to justify the hate to MS at any cost, But hate whatever it comes from id bad.


you're misrepresenting the parent's statements as justifying hate, when that's obviously not the case.

my position goes like this, and is far more common than the 'hate' you would assign to anybody uninterested in MS:

microsoft *is* an agressive company whose highest ranking corporate officers have made plainly clear their intentions to essentially do away with FOSS.

because of their repetitive reliance on unfair business practices and willingness to, quite frankly, illegally destroy competition, we as consumers are given a choice. we can use MS products and technologies or we can choose to NOT use MS products and technologies.

note: this is NOT hate. this is a rational response to a repeated threat vector. MS is a corporation. it is not a person. corporations do not deserve a persistent benefit-of-the-doubt scenario as would be given to a human being making human mistakes. they should have been shut down or split up years ago.

i certainly don't *hate* microsoft. MS isn't worth my hate. i just want them out of my life, because they do me more harm than good. this is the position of most people who choose to avoid MS products.

i want to facepalm every time somebody calls me a blind MS-hater. it isn't blind; and, it isn't hate. i just want to maintain the ability to ignore them, as best as possible.

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RE[8]: I agree...
by lemur2 on Fri 24th Jul 2009 03:28 in reply to "RE[7]: I agree..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Looks like you are trying to justify the hate to MS at any cost, But hate whatever it comes from id bad.
you're misrepresenting the parent's statements as justifying hate, when that's obviously not the case. my position goes like this, and is far more common than the 'hate' you would assign to anybody uninterested in MS: microsoft *is* an agressive company whose highest ranking corporate officers have made plainly clear their intentions to essentially do away with FOSS. because of their repetitive reliance on unfair business practices and willingness to, quite frankly, illegally destroy competition, we as consumers are given a choice. we can use MS products and technologies or we can choose to NOT use MS products and technologies. note: this is NOT hate. this is a rational response to a repeated threat vector. MS is a corporation. it is not a person. corporations do not deserve a persistent benefit-of-the-doubt scenario as would be given to a human being making human mistakes. they should have been shut down or split up years ago. i certainly don't *hate* microsoft. MS isn't worth my hate. i just want them out of my life, because they do me more harm than good. this is the position of most people who choose to avoid MS products. i want to facepalm every time somebody calls me a blind MS-hater. it isn't blind; and, it isn't hate. i just want to maintain the ability to ignore them, as best as possible. "

Hear, hear.

That is so good that it is worth repeating.

If I had not already commented on this thread, I would mod your post up as truly insightful.

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RE[8]: I agree...
by nachokb on Fri 24th Jul 2009 14:56 in reply to "RE[7]: I agree..."
nachokb Member since:
2009-07-13

I couldn't agree more.

BTW, can somebody point me to *anyone* who has complained about this Microsoft contribution?? Why the rage?? Is it all speculation?? Or are they again simply trying to portray FOSS guys as immature hippie whiners? It seems to me that some commenter said something stupid and the media, being desperate to get a story where there isn't one, is attributing that to FOSS people...

OTOH, when someone says that everything RMS says or do is because he hates MS, it makes me laugh. The guy has kept consistent to his message for 30 years (and then he might even not have heard of MS), never mentions MS without "or any other proprietary company", and it all, frankly, smells of desperate faux-journalists [1]. When they mock his values as hippies or extremist, that gets me angry.

Furthermore, this hysteria seems to be inhibiting some needed analysis, as MS has previously been criticized for using GPL software (TCP/IP stack) while vilifying and downright FUDing its very license, to the point that they chose to rewrite it all. With this release, the next adjective they choose to throw at it will be perceived as a joke. Their message got slightly weakened (they surely must be needing to boost Hyper-V). How MS's attack position on FOSS evolves is important.

nachokb

[1] "There hasn’t been a Richard Stallman “over my dead body” diatribe about the Microsoft code (yet)." --- http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3414

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RE[7]: I agree... - always someone
by jabbotts on Fri 24th Jul 2009 13:35 in reply to "RE[6]: I agree..."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I've had anti-foss a comments back from many posts that simply mention a non-Windows platform. The topic could be completely removed from any comparison of OS platforms yet someone will pipe up to spin it into another "US vs Them" debate. It's not unique to one side either was topics focusing only on Windows will quickly devolve into the same "US vs Them" nonsense.

I suggest that being able to mount a Documents and Settings directory as non-executable like I can with *nix platforms and I'm called a Windows hater being told I'm simply out to scare people away from the OS. I suggest that choosing an alternative to Windows is not always possible and I'm the enemy again. Some fanboy from one side or another will always find fault with not praying at there idol's alter.

Once the politics is removed from the topic, I've been reminded of things forgotten from my growing up on Windows machines. I used to climb through the registry like a freaking spider-monkey. Dig through the autostarts and services; a habit evolved out of years as an Autoexec and Config.sys tuner. Now after years of focusing on non-Windows platforms and a detrimental stint of employment outside of IT, I'm relearning these basic skills.

From any side, someone will always make it a pissing contest. It's very hard to get any good points one has to make considered when they are so well berried amongst personal attacks and "my daddy's OS can kick your daddy's OS" crap. If more people focused on the technical discussion and less on the emotional baggage, everyone would benefit.

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