Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Jul 2009 22:53 UTC, submitted by Remy Chi Jian Suen
Editorial So, Microsoft submits 20000 lines of code to the Linux kernel, all licensed under the GPL. Microsoft, who considers Linux a great threat, and once called the GPL a "cancer". Opinions on this one are flying all around us, but what does Linus Torvalds, Linux' benevolent dictator, think about all this?
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RE[2]: Embrace Extend Extinguish
by lemur2 on Fri 24th Jul 2009 01:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Embrace Extend Extinguish"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Microsoft has a long history of very dirty business tactics True, but there is another one who has done worse thinks and nobody say anything, yes, im talking about IBM.


Historically, yes, correct. IBM had a huge anti-trust case against it for this.

IBM's reaction was to change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely.

But since IBM donates money to the FSF nobody dares to say anything.


Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else. See the above comment about "change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely". This is an excellent example of exactly that turn-around.

Microsoft also had a huge anti-trust case against it. Microsoft's response was to turn the DOJ around completely, and utterly corrupt them. Now we have the US government anti-trust investigators saying things like "Microsoft is not the problem" and going after Google.

Can you say "stooges"? Can you say "bought"?

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Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

IBM changed?

Just search for google for their latest unetique behavior, it was a few months ago.

But MS is the horse to beat, right?

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

IBM changed? Just search for google for their latest unetique behavior, it was a few months ago. But MS is the horse to beat, right?


You are getting it all wrong.

Microsoft is the source of the hate, not its object.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I'd be interested to read more on this IBM issue if you have a link or more clear title to drop in my preferred internet search engine.

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

IBM lost their monopoly status.

Nothing wrong with having a monopoly.

Problems occur when a company has a monopoly position and abuses that position to try to wipe out competitors and strong arm partners.

When referring to MS please put these two together: "abuse of their monopoly position". It actually accurately describes the conviction and situation.

Edited 2009-07-25 13:42 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

IBM's reaction was to change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely


Comedy gold. Google is also not evil.

Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else.


You don't seriously think they do that for some altruistic reasons, do you? It benefits them to do so and the moment it no longer does they'll stop.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

The quote from Mr. Torvalds states blatantly that no one gets into FOSS without some personal angle. Developers have a software need, hardware companies have a driver support need, I have multiple machines and VMs at home that would be unaffordable if limited only to retail software licensing. Everybody has a selfish reason and that's part of what keeps FOSS evolving.

Of course IBM has selfish reasons for contributing. Of course, as an amoral corporation, it will follow the profits for the benefit of it's shareholders over the benefit of it's customers. It's still contributing though and that was the key point presented previous to the point on fanaticism.

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spanglywires Member since:
2006-10-23

IBM's reaction was to change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely.

Hehe, you've obviously never dealt with the money grabbing monster that is International Business Machines. Its interesting that Linus brings them up, as they are the epitome of big bad business in a way that Microsoft can only have wet dreams about.

Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else. See the above comment about "change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely". This is an excellent example of exactly that turn-around.

Remember the B in IBM. Where they donate code it is only to ditch unmarketable internal code to boost their open source credentials or to kick a rival (eg Eclipse vs Netbeans). Linux is 'tolerated' only to the expense of SPARC/Solaris at IBM, when the shoe is on the other foot and AIX starts losing share to Linux watch the stance change.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Actually, IBM donates more than money ... they have donated code. Vast amounts of it. Probably more so than anyone else. See the above comment about "change their corporate behaviour. Turn it around completely". This is an excellent example of exactly that turn-around.

Remember the B in IBM. Where they donate code it is only to ditch unmarketable internal code to boost their open source credentials or to kick a rival (eg Eclipse vs Netbeans). Linux is 'tolerated' only to the expense of SPARC/Solaris at IBM, when the shoe is on the other foot and AIX starts losing share to Linux watch the stance change.
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Au contraire, IBM would probably use Linux in its own products where it made sense. AIX for mainframes, and Linux embedded in products such as this:

http://www-03.ibm.com/products/retail/products/pos/

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene

or this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_processor

Edited 2009-07-24 11:13 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Remember the B in IBM. Where they donate code it is only to ditch unmarketable internal code to boost their open source credentials or to kick a rival (eg Eclipse vs Netbeans). Linux is 'tolerated' only to the expense of SPARC/Solaris at IBM, when the shoe is on the other foot and AIX starts losing share to Linux watch the stance change.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner

Roadrunner is a supercomputer built by IBM at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, USA. Currently the world's fastest computer, the US$133-million Roadrunner is designed for a peak performance of 1.7 petaflops, achieving 1.026 on May 25, 2008, and to be the world's first TOP500 Linpack sustained 1.0 petaflops system. It is a one-of-a-kind supercomputer, built from off the shelf parts, with many novel design features.

In November 2008, it reached a top performance of 1.456 petaflops, retaining its top spot in the TOP500 list. It is also the fourth-most energy-efficient supercomputer in the world on the Supermicro Green500 list, with an operational rate of 444.94 megaflops per watt of power used.


The Roadrunner uses Red Hat Enterprise Linux along with Fedora as its operating systems.


Edited 2009-07-24 11:50 UTC

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