Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 20th Jul 2009 19:16 UTC
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris The Linux desktop has come a long way. It's a fully usable, stable, and secure operating system that can be used quite easily by the masses. Not too long ago, Sun figured they could do the same by starting Project Indiana, which is supposed to deliver a complete distribution of OpenSolaris in a manner similar to GNU/Linux. After using the latest version for a while, I'm wondering: why?
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WTF???
by Robert Escue on Fri 24th Jul 2009 16:11 UTC
Robert Escue
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2005-07-08

The first problem with this "article" is define "slow". Since the author chose not to provide any specifics such as sar or system accounting data or even empirical measurements, what is slow? And it is slow compared to what exactly? We don’t even know what kind or size of hard drive or network card is used in the system; all we know is the system in question has a 2 GHz Pentium IV CPU, 2 GB of memory and an nVidia 6200 video card.

So we have an older system with an almost five year old value priced AGP video card, 2 GB of memory and an unknown amount of hard disk space and network card and we are supposed to take the author’s word for it that OpenSolaris and all applications run slowly on it? Just because someone says it is slow does not mean it is. If someone is going to complain about performance, they should back it up with some meaningful data and just complain, because all I have read is complaints without substance.

The author then moves on to the usual OpenSolaris complaints about the lack of software in the repositories. Again no specifics as to what is missing in the way of software. For that matter why doesn’t the author take the time to compile the software he wants himself? I have asked this question before and was shouted down for even suggesting such a thing. For that matter why doesn’t the author or the other people who complain stand up and say “I will contribute to the effort and compile “enter software title here” and put it in the repository”? It is easy to complain, but not so easy to do something. How much of a geek are you if you can’t compile your own software?

What user experience? Again no real frame of reference other than mentioning the user experience is better using Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu.

And this is considered a “quality” article for OSNews? Of course this has not stopped the anti-Sun trolls from piling on. Why was this published in the first place? For a site that is supposed to be dedicated to technology, it is probably the worst piece of so called “tech writing” I have ever read.

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RE: WTF???
by dvzt on Fri 24th Jul 2009 17:43 in reply to "WTF???"
dvzt Member since:
2008-10-23

The author then moves on to the usual OpenSolaris complaints about the lack of software in the repositories. Again no specifics as to what is missing in the way of software. For that matter why doesn’t the author take the time to compile the software he wants himself? I have asked this question before and was shouted down for even suggesting such a thing. For that matter why doesn’t the author or the other people who complain stand up and say “I will contribute to the effort and compile “enter software title here” and put it in the repository”? It is easy to complain, but not so easy to do something. How much of a geek are you if you can’t compile your own software?


You can try it yourself, but you'll see that a lot of common open source software either won't compile on (Open)Solaris at all, or it will require a lot of effort to make it compile. Why? Because most of OSS was developed on Linux, which is *not* fully POSIX compliant, even if Linux folks like to claim it is.


What user experience? Again no real frame of reference other than mentioning the user experience is better using Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu.


OpenSolaris' main goal insn't about user experience, Thom just doesn't (want to) realise that.

Why was this published in the first place?


Here's why: http://www.osnews.com/story/21476/A_Note_About_Ads

Because of lower incomes, OS news authors are resorting to very poor flame-bait articles (and other crap). They have zero value, but guarantee a few more ad viewers.

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RE[2]: WTF???
by Robert Escue on Fri 24th Jul 2009 18:04 in reply to "RE: WTF???"
Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

I wrote an article for OSNews on OpenSolaris and used iozone to gather benchmarks on ZFS and did this without incident, the same way I did it with Solaris from 7 through 10. I think the problem for most Linux users trying to do things on OpenSolaris is that they have no idea how Solaris and OpenSolaris works. From simple things like adding /usr/sfw/bin to your PATH statement to using crle to update your dynamic linking environment, if it doesn't work it is much easier to complain than it is to actually learn how to use it. And just because it doesn't work exactly like Linux doesn't cut it for me as an answer. I don't have the luxury of walking around with blinders and see only "Linux". If the people I work for want AIX or HP-UX, I can't say "Well I only know this ..." and expect to continue to be employed.

That does not mean I totally disagree with you, I have found several pieces of software that just plain doesn't compile on Solaris and would probably fail in the same fashion on OpenSolaris like Nagios and OpenLDAP. I'll have to give it a try on my "slow" (Pentium IV) OpenSolaris machine at home just for laughs.

If the OSNews staff would get some real content and kick the trolls out, I don't think they would have a money problem.

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