Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 24th Jul 2009 22:52 UTC
Editorial Every few years we geeks have our own kind of popcorn show to watch: tech companies showing teeth to one another. This time around, it's Palm vs Apple. In all seriousness though, how ethical is the battle around iTunes?
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RE[3]: Ethics
by Hakime on Sat 25th Jul 2009 05:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ethics"
Hakime
Member since:
2005-11-16

"So as long as Palm doesn't care that it's officially USB compliant, they could unilaterally withdraw from its obligations under that contract, which I believe they would be able to do in a completely ethical way. "

Palm has itself a vendor ID, so it has to agree with this (from the vendor ID form):

The company set forth above hereby applies for a USB Vendor ID Number and agrees to the following: The USB Implementers Forum is the authority which assigns and maintains all USB Vendor ID Numbers. Each Vendor ID Number is assigned to one company for its sole and exclusive use, along with associated Product ID Numbers. They may not be sold, transferred, or used by others, directly or indirectly, except in special circumstances and then only upon prior written approval by USB-IF. Unauthorized use of assigned or unassigned USB Vendor ID Numbers and associated Product ID Numbers are strictly prohibited.

"But I do agree with you 100% that Apple has reached the point where their iTunes and iPod market share have qualified them as a bona fide monopoly, and that therefore their competitors qualify for some consideration and protection under anti-trust law."

You don't understand what you are talking about, do you understand what anti-trust means, i don't think so,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-trust_law

Find me one only time when Apple has tried to restrict competition against iTunes, it simply does not exists.... Apple monopoly exists because no competitor could come up with a credible alternative, period. Again, i call it natural monopoly.

Edited 2009-07-25 05:29 UTC

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RE[4]: Ethics
by David on Sat 25th Jul 2009 05:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Ethics"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Yes, but my point is that this entire agreement is with the USB consortium, and I'm not sure whether what's at stake is merely Palm's membership in good standing with that consortium.

That is, I'm not certain that Palm can't just decide that it doesn't care whether it's officially USB compliant and just decide it doesn't care to abide by those terms anymore. If you want to make a "USB" device, and you don't care about having the USB logo, you don't have to sign that contract or agree to any of that. The zillions of small-fry hardware manufacturers out there certainly don't. Now, some of them use the USB logo anyway (and could get sued for trademark infringement) and some don't. But I'm wondering whether Palm could just join their ranks. I mean, who's going to not buy a Pre just because there's no USB logo on the box?

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RE[5]: Ethics
by Hakime on Sat 25th Jul 2009 05:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Ethics"
Hakime Member since:
2005-11-16

What?

I said you that Palm has an vendor ID, what this story logo? Did you ever see an USB logo on an ipod?

Anyway without it, no Product ID, so it can't sync with iTunes as it first checks for the product ID. So what the point for Palm?

Edited 2009-07-25 05:39 UTC

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RE[4]: Ethics
by looncraz on Sat 25th Jul 2009 20:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Ethics"
looncraz Member since:
2005-07-24

Find me one only time when Apple has tried to restrict competition against iTunes, it simply does not exists.... Apple monopoly exists because no competitor could come up with a credible alternative, period. Again, i call it natural monopoly.



Just do a nice web-search for iTunes alternatives. Apple's behavior regarding the iPhone's app repo should be telling enough, I'd think...

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RE[4]: Ethics
by AdamW on Sat 25th Jul 2009 20:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Ethics"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"Find me one only time when Apple has tried to restrict competition against iTunes, it simply does not exists"

All the times when they've shipped iPod firmware updates that intentionally prevent third party applications syncing with iPods.

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RE[4]: Ethics
by sbergman27 on Sun 26th Jul 2009 16:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Ethics"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Palm has itself a vendor ID, so it has to agree with this (from the vendor ID form):

Honestly, this thread reminds of of this exchange:

===
Bystander 1: Oh my God! That old lady just got hit by a bus!

Bystander 2: Oh no! What color was the bus?!
===

There are far larger, and far more significant issues involved here than adherence to a hardware spec.

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