Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Jul 2009 07:29 UTC
Opera Software Last week, the European Commission announced that Microsoft is willing to implement a browser ballot screen in Windows so that users can select a browser to install when installing Windows or when setting up their OEM computer. While this makes Opera very happy, Opera would like to see Ubuntu and Apple offer such a ballot screen too.
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RE[4]: Shove Off Opera
by segedunum on Tue 28th Jul 2009 10:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Shove Off Opera"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

How are they "shoe-horning"? Opera is just one of the companies involved in the complaint. Google, Mozilla, etc. are involved as well.

It doesn't make any difference who else is involved. Opera are certainly the most vocal however since they rely on the browser as a standalone application and they're the ones who seemingly think that others should write a launcher and installation application for their product on Ubuntu and OS X as well as Windows.

Astounding.

What on earth are you talking about? The ballot is meant to restore competition in the browser market.

What happens in five or ten years' time when it is quite obvious that a browser can never be a stand-alone application, technology moves on and it is amalgamated in different technological areas? Who's to say there will be a 'browser market' in five years? Do we still mandate a daft browser chooser?

But all you people seem to do is whine about Opera. The ignorance is astounding.

Uh, huh. What's even more astounding is Opera's cheek and laziness that others owe them something.

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RE[5]: Shove Off Opera
by hangman on Tue 28th Jul 2009 15:29 in reply to "RE[4]: Shove Off Opera"
hangman Member since:
2007-09-05

It doesn't make any difference who else is involved.

Of course it matters. If you are going to be whining about Opera, you should be whining about the rest as well.

Opera are certainly the most vocal however since they rely on the browser as a standalone application and they're the ones who seemingly think that others should write a launcher and installation application for their product on Ubuntu and OS X as well as Windows.

Did you even read what the CTO said? He nevfer said that Ubuntu and OS X should include Opera. What he said that it MIGHT be a good idea to do so because the browser is so important.

You seem to get ALL you claims factually wrong.

What happens in five or ten years' time when it is quite obvious that a browser can never be a stand-alone application

That's irrelevant for this case. And besides, Opera is being sold as an application platform as well. Companies like Vodafone and apparently AT&T are apparently standardizing on top of Opera's application platform.

Uh, huh. What's even more astounding is Opera's cheek and laziness that others owe them something.

Who owes them something? Opera never said that anyone owes them anything. And Opera is growing massively already, and doubled its profits last quarter.

This case isn't about owing anyone anything. It's about the fact that MS broke the law, and now Google, Mozilla, Opera and others are helping out in an advisory role to find the best remedy for that.

Again, Opera is just another advisor, like Mozilla, Google and others. And yet Microsoft fans whine about Opera all the time.

Facts are hard to get right, eh?

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RE[6]: Shove Off Opera
by segedunum on Tue 28th Jul 2009 17:46 in reply to "RE[5]: Shove Off Opera"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Did you even read what the CTO said? He nevfer said that Ubuntu and OS X should include Opera. What he said that it MIGHT be a good idea to do so because the browser is so important.

Uh huh. He said exactly what he meant and most around here seem to get why he said it. Emphasising the word 'MIGHT' in order to get around what he said is desperate in the extreme.

Facts are hard to get right, eh?

They are when you're an Opera loon.

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