Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 27th Jul 2009 07:29 UTC
Opera Software Last week, the European Commission announced that Microsoft is willing to implement a browser ballot screen in Windows so that users can select a browser to install when installing Windows or when setting up their OEM computer. While this makes Opera very happy, Opera would like to see Ubuntu and Apple offer such a ballot screen too.
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RE[2]: Shove Off Opera
by segedunum on Tue 28th Jul 2009 10:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Shove Off Opera"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

Uh, what makes you think Opera wants to avoid change? Opera has been at the FOREFRONT of change. For example, Opera did mobile browsers before anyone else even considered it!

As I've said elsewhere, a browser is not guaranteed to be a standalone application forever, and that's the status quo that Opera has to maintain. Application types have come and gone in the past, been amalgamated into other applications and the browser should be no different. That's progress.

Opera isn't trying to avoid change. Opera is trying to BRING ABOUT change.

Yep, as long as the browser continues as a nice, standalone application as it is today. That's the thing that can never change with Opera and why they're more anxious about this 'browser chooser' thing than anyone else. It nails down the browser as a standalone entity.

Uh, OPERA IS A FREE DOWNLOAD! Did you seriously not know that?

Yes I did know that, but you failed to read what was written completely. I talked about 'free' browsers with respect to Linux distributions, and if you want to get distributed there then the only avenue you have is source code availability. Hinting at some browser chooser to be shoved on to Ubuntu to get around that is just plain stupid.

Yes, for PCs it's 'freely' available, basically because they have no market share. However, their business still relies completely on selling browsers to the mobile market in particular, set top boxes as well as the direct ad revenue they get from Google. I use Opera on my my mobile N73. The point still stands though. Opera still relies on selling and supporting a browser as a standalone application and they are desperate to avoid any kind of change that might threaten that status quo.

Edited 2009-07-28 10:45 UTC

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RE[3]: Shove Off Opera
by hangman on Tue 28th Jul 2009 15:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Shove Off Opera"
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2007-09-05

As I've said elsewhere, a browser is not guaranteed to be a standalone application forever, and that's the status quo that Opera has to maintain.

On the contrary. Opera WANTS the browser to be the main application platform. They will make A LOT MORE MONEY that way. Opera is pushing HEAVILY for change in the market.

You are clearly completely ignorant about the browser market in general, and Opera in particular.

Yep, as long as the browser continues as a nice, standalone application as it is today. That's the thing that can never change with Opera and why they're more anxious about this 'browser chooser' thing than anyone else. It nails down the browser as a standalone entity.

Again, no. Mozilla and Google are as involved as Opera is. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?

Yes, for PCs it's 'freely' available, basically because they have no market share.

Wrong. Opera is the #3 browser globally:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200901-200906-bar

And in Europe Opera is bigger than Safari and Chrome combined!

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200901-200906-bar

However, their business still relies completely on selling browsers to the mobile market in particular, set top boxes as well as the direct ad revenue they get from Google.

1/3 of Opera's total revenue is from the desktop version. Opera's desktop browser makes money the same way Firefox does.

Opera still relies on selling and supporting a browser as a standalone application and they are desperate to avoid any kind of change that might threaten that status quo.

Again, this is wrong. They are HEAVILY pushing for the browser as an APPLICATION PLATFORM.

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RE[4]: Shove Off Opera
by segedunum on Tue 28th Jul 2009 18:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Shove Off Opera"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

On the contrary. Opera WANTS the browser to be the main application platform.

Note that you're still talking about the browser as a standalone entity. The browser will end up inevitably being part of a wider development platform that will be integrated into desktops more than it is today. You only need to look at Google gadgets as an example of the way things are going.

You are clearly completely ignorant about the browser market in general, and Opera in particular.

You're a loon sunshine and this has obviously hit a very raw nerve.

Wrong. Opera is the #3 browser globally

Hmmmm, so you plucked some statistics off a dodgy site to tell us all that Opera is a very distant third? I can give you stats that tell a different story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#cite_note-...
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-41580-113.html

Which Opera had to desperately back-peddle on:

http://gigaom.com/2009/03/02/browser-wars-opera-says-its-not-down-o...

Do Mozilla or Google need to do that? That should tell you what side of the bread is buttered.

Again, this is wrong. They are HEAVILY pushing for the browser as an APPLICATION PLATFORM.

Read that over and over again. You're still talking about the browser as an entity when the browser will being consumed by wider development platforms and desktops.

Opera are in a precarious position and their constant whining about the situation that they're in is very annoying.

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