Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 29th Jul 2009 17:10 UTC
Apple The discussion around whether or not jailbreaking iPhones should be exempt from the DMCA has just reached a level of ridiculousness that words can't really describe any longer. As some of you might know, Apple and the Electronic Frontier Foundation are in a tussle with one another over whether or not the US Copyright Office should put an exemption in the DMCA allowing the jailbreaking of iPhones. Apple's reasoning for why no exemption should be made is rather... Over-the-top.
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oh joy
by l3v1 on Wed 29th Jul 2009 17:45 UTC
l3v1
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2005-07-06

I eagerly wait the day you all be buying computers with preinstalled and locked-down software, not allowed to install other OSes, apps only available from one vendor, and you'll be paying a monthly fee for the whole pack of sh*t. And the best of all: you all will be happy with it and crowds of people will come up with hearty points about how all of it is so marvellous.

In the end, we all get what we deserve, either by actively seeking, or by not doing anything against.

Oh, I still fail to see how jailbraking is in any relation to copyright. This is stupid.

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RE: oh joy
by TechGeek on Wed 29th Jul 2009 18:18 in reply to "oh joy"
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2006-01-14

Its only a copyright issue because big business decided to side step fair use by locking down the hardware in the name of copyright. The DMCA restricts jail breaking, research into jail breaking, hell even discussing it(so much for freedom of speech). The exemption would remove DMCA restrictions into this activity, which is something Apple will absolutely fight. And lie about to get their way.

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RE[2]: oh joy
by apoclypse on Wed 29th Jul 2009 22:59 in reply to "RE: oh joy"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Look publicly Apple says that Jailbreking is bad and are against it, but other than upgrading their OS have they ever activiley persued jailbreakers? Have they actively persued hackintosh makers other than those trying to make a business out of it? The only reason why I don't like jailbreaking is because there are some idiots out there who are actully pirating 99 cents apps. Why? Are you that damn cheap? And no don't give me the try before you buy bullishit because I know they are not going to buy it. If they are not going to buy they shouldn't be allowed to use it and should absolutely be counted as a lost customer because without the pirate version they would have no alternative but to buy. But luckily that is not the whole community, there are plenty of developers that just want unrestricted access and a jailbroken iphone is a perfect platform for that. Anyway my originsl point is regardless of what Apple says they rarely go after users who choose to jailbreak their phones. So is it relly an issue? I'm not defending their very silly claims but we have to look at past history here.

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RE: oh joy
by middleware on Wed 29th Jul 2009 18:30 in reply to "oh joy"
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2006-05-11

Something make you avoid to be locked on a closed platform. First, help improve an alternative open platform. Second, insist on use product possessing good interoperability. Third, only do entertainment once the second is broken.

Only when a platform start developing its own proprietary file format, or protocol, or other things prevent future interoperability, you are going to be really locked on and at that point you need to consider throw away that platform. As long as the interoperability remains, refusing to use a platform only because it is close is unreasonable and far less efficient. Not mention Apple's product is not that closed.

By that criteria, I don't see Apple really locks on anyone like how MS once locked on people by .doc (with the inferior implementation of Office on Mac (and today's 2008 is far less inferior, almost equal) and lack at all on other OSes) and IE (with the help of IE-specific HTML web site) for now.

So you are free to choose Apple or not. For me, I will not because I am willing to be locked on, but because Apple's product is currently the best and I am able to turn to other platform far before I would be unable.

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RE[2]: oh joy
by l3v1 on Thu 30th Jul 2009 14:38 in reply to "RE: oh joy"
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2005-07-06

Something make you avoid to be locked on a closed platform. First, help improve an alternative open platform. Second, insist on use product possessing good interoperability.


If there are no such products (that you could choose to use instead of said locked-down ones), or the ones that are available are far inferior, than the choice in reality is not a choice. Unless you can manufacture your own hardware, that is (since open software is more easier to come by). A collegue of mine wants to by a touchscreen phone, went in to a local vodafone shop to try out what they have, and came out totally disappointed. Until a locked-down device provides higher usability and usefulness even in its locked-down state than the others, there'll be no incentive for the locker to release the lock, since it has tangible control over the crowd.

With a new, open, non-locked, whetever else platform, your first move needs to be to convince the average joe crowd (there is strength in numbers, we all should know that by now, you need momentum to achieve anything) to use your device, and the iPhone being where it is, this would be hard.

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