Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Jul 2009 12:13 UTC
Microsoft With Apple doing really, really well, and with Microsoft having its first sets of negative figures since the company's founding, Microsoft CEO points his arrows towards Cupertino. In a talk to members of the press and analyst community, Ballmer talked about Microsoft vs. Apple.
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A case of Pot calling the Kettle Black?
by shotsman on Fri 31st Jul 2009 12:35 UTC
shotsman
Member since:
2005-07-22

I guess that 5 (or even less) years ago, the numbers of Mac's vs PC's would have been very different. I'd guess 90/10 in favour of the PC.
Perhaps the message to Mr Balmer the numbers of Mac's is saying.
"Microsoft, you are not delivering the product we want. We are prepared even to pay the higher prices to get something that works for us and makes our job easier"

I'm moving in the same direction myself. At the moment, I'll probably never buy another PC with Windows on it. There is really nothing the even Windows 7 gives me that my Macbook Pro with OS/X or my MSI-Wind running Linux can't do. The same goes for many of my non PC Literate friends.
I think Microsoft is at a Crossroads. Make the wrong turn and you will do go downhill.
GM & Chrysler were at the same crossroads a decade or so ago. They made the wrong turn and look where they are now.
I think that trying to out Apple Apple is the wrong thing. I think they need to be radical and do something that will make them the coolest gig in town. Windows 7 and the rest is not going to do it.
They did it with Windows 95. That was a step change that rocked the industry. Where is the next one coming from then Mr Balmer.

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jweinraub Member since:
2009-06-22

That is exactly what I am thinking. If you looked at Mr Balmber's description of Apple, he included high quality in his list of negatives from the high price point.

This is exactly the reason why Apple products are more expensive, not just because of their pretty looks, but their decisions not to cut corners as many of their Windows "partners" often do.

Microsoft should change their labelling requirements so that it meets a higher quality of product to be Windows 7 approved. Perhaps if their partners are making better, more Apple like hardware, it really doesn't matter about the O/S.

I have been using Windows 7, and find it to be a very nice operating system. However, it still isn't intuitive. I find it requires too many clicks just to get a static IP address on my laptop. They changed too much from 2000 and XP that they are trying to make it easier for new customers but they alienated the old ones in the process. Which is a very unMicrosoft thing to do. They touted when 95 first came out, they went to a local computer store and bought every software they had to make sure it would work properly. The fact that MS can support old, archaic software in an advanced operating system (compared to MS-DOS or Windows 3.1), is an amazing feat on its own. While that is MS's biggest strength is supporting legacy code, it is also their weakest link. Refusing to let go. Apple never did that, got rid of Carbon in favour of Cocoa, and after the moaning died down, people went back to work to make more great stuff. That is why OS X is so good, they trimmed that fat by removing old, crappy code.

On a side note, Microsoft already does make hardware (mice, keyboards, etc)., would it really be far fetched if they started making their own, or would Dell call foul? Imagine that!

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boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

This is exactly the reason why Apple products are more expensive, not just because of their pretty looks, but their decisions not to cut corners as many of their Windows "partners" often do.


I and my family have owned several HP machines, some of which have vastly out-lived our Apple machines. My brother has a six-year-old H.P. lap-top that's still going strong. My titanium powerbook had two motherboards die in 18 months. My Mom's (much newer) iBook had an HD death in about the same time-frame (12 to 18 months). I do not buy, and have never bought, that Apple's hardware is "so incredibly much betters." It's an idea that Apple has worked hard to embed in people's minds, "one of the reasons you're paying so much more for our product, is that our hardware is better," but it has no correlation to reality.

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jason_ff Member since:
2006-06-29


Refusing to let go. Apple never did that, got rid of Carbon in favour of Cocoa, and after the moaning died down, people went back to work to make more great stuff. That is why OS X is so good, they trimmed that fat by removing old, crappy code.


Just to be pedantic, Apple hasn't gotten rid of Carbon yet. It's not even deprecated. But it's essentially on its way out. Most of Apple's apps are now Cocoa (with the exception of iTunes and maybe Quicktime) as of Snow Leopard.

But I fully agree, they do like to cut the cruft and it makes for a very lean and tight system.

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diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

I feel the same, I dont have a need for Windows anymore, I do all my work and everything on Linux, and for games, etc, I have my PS3.

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