Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Jul 2009 12:13 UTC
Microsoft With Apple doing really, really well, and with Microsoft having its first sets of negative figures since the company's founding, Microsoft CEO points his arrows towards Cupertino. In a talk to members of the press and analyst community, Ballmer talked about Microsoft vs. Apple.
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sbergman27
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2005-07-24

The lame attempt to portray Macs as overpriced is falling on deaf ears.

I'm far from a Microsoft supporter, but that "lame attempt" you speak of is simply pointing out the cold hard truth about Macs. The PC market benefits from actual *competition* between vendors. The MacOSX market is desperately in need of competition in the form of clones. And if Apple, Inc. were no so afraid of actual competition, they would not be fighting so hard.

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middleware Member since:
2006-05-11

There is no such thing as "OS X market". If you look backward, the degree how Apple lock down users by OS X is much less how Sun locked down users by Solaris. And what would happen? Solaris is replaced by Linux. It is nonsense to let Sun open its Solaris market because 1) it is not a market by single product, 2) no one was actually locked down and people move to Linux easily. To defeat Solaris or to defeat OS X, you just choose another product or make a better alternative. If there is still no better alternative, that's it! If there is still no better alternative and you can't prove it is Apple's any conspiracy to prevent it from appearing, that's it! Nothing to complain. You can't ask for a product to be open or invite competition by simple say "oh, there still no better alternative".

If Apple one day make Mac poor in user experience, user will be just ten times easier to move to other OS than how easy Solaris users moved to Linux. People just choose their product by quality and no one have right to enforce a good product to be open, though I think a product is both open and good is really attractive.

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Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

I think you're wrong.

I think sbergman27 meant competitors to Apple who can build OSX systems when he said the OSX market.

Also, how did Sun lock down Solaris customers more than Apple? By limiting their choice in hardware?
There are still a number of system vendors that ship Sparc-based systems. Fujitsu has made servers for a while. Tadpole still makes laptops. Other companies sell competing hardware (though, many use Sun's own chips). Solaris has also run on x86 for a while. That means several different vendors to choose from to run Solaris.

Or, did you mean tying customers to Solaris by making it hard for software to be ported to competing architectures? It's no different from any other Unix, with variations on mostly standard APIs.

This type of lock-in seems less so with Apple, but mostly because it's easy to build generic Unix stuff on OSX. Apple does use a lot of popular free software instead of rolling their own (Which the Unix vendors were already doing before the free versions were good). That does make porting easier. However, OSX lock-in is nearly at the Windows level if you don't want to use X-Windows to provide GUI.

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macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

The MacOSX market is desperately in need of competition in the form of clones.


So Apple is not in competition with Windows and every other PC manufacturer on the market? If that's the case, then why is everyone always talking about their small market share. They have 100% of the market by your argument.

So, Apple makes a computer that runs Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, etc and they have zero competition. If that's the case, why does Microsoft target them in their Laptop Shopper ads? No competition indeed... Simply amazing, the low depths of analysis.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So Apple is not in competition with Windows and every other PC manufacturer on the market?

Not really. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that that is a battle which they clearly lost back in the 1980s. With 3% market share or whatever, it's hard to really call them a competitor in the greater desktop market.

The Mac-owning community is a rather insular group. And thus the MacOSX market is a rather insular market. And that is where there is a burning need for competition in the hardware space.

That said, Apple knows that there's a sucker born every minute, and their Mac vs PC ads are intended to lure a few more suckers into their fold. To an extent, I supose that is "being in competition with windows". But the volume of converts is quite low. And it would be equally valid to consider it canvassing the crowd for well heeled patsies.

Edited 2009-07-31 16:18 UTC

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Lo_Phat Member since:
2009-07-08

Steve my point simply is that an increasing number of people are accepting the value proposition of Macs over windows. Ballmer's comment is same old same old IMHO..

Edited 2009-07-31 23:22 UTC

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