Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Jul 2009 12:13 UTC
Microsoft With Apple doing really, really well, and with Microsoft having its first sets of negative figures since the company's founding, Microsoft CEO points his arrows towards Cupertino. In a talk to members of the press and analyst community, Ballmer talked about Microsoft vs. Apple.
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macUser
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2006-12-15

The MacOSX market is desperately in need of competition in the form of clones.


So Apple is not in competition with Windows and every other PC manufacturer on the market? If that's the case, then why is everyone always talking about their small market share. They have 100% of the market by your argument.

So, Apple makes a computer that runs Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, etc and they have zero competition. If that's the case, why does Microsoft target them in their Laptop Shopper ads? No competition indeed... Simply amazing, the low depths of analysis.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

So Apple is not in competition with Windows and every other PC manufacturer on the market?

Not really. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that that is a battle which they clearly lost back in the 1980s. With 3% market share or whatever, it's hard to really call them a competitor in the greater desktop market.

The Mac-owning community is a rather insular group. And thus the MacOSX market is a rather insular market. And that is where there is a burning need for competition in the hardware space.

That said, Apple knows that there's a sucker born every minute, and their Mac vs PC ads are intended to lure a few more suckers into their fold. To an extent, I supose that is "being in competition with windows". But the volume of converts is quite low. And it would be equally valid to consider it canvassing the crowd for well heeled patsies.

Edited 2009-07-31 16:18 UTC

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evangs Member since:
2005-07-07


That said, Apple knows that there's a sucker born every minute, and their Mac vs PC ads are intended to lure a few more suckers into their fold. To an extent, I supose that is "being in competition with windows". But the volume of converts is quite low. And it would be equally valid to consider it canvassing the crowd for well heeled patsies.


Wow, did some Apple user beat you up and steal your girlfriend back in college or something? Why so much bile towards Apple users?

As a company, Apple are doing tremendously well. They are in direct competition with Windows because people who buy Macs tend not to use Windows computers. So every "convert" is a loss for the PC side. Anecdotally, I know quite a number of such switchers.

I've used Macs but these days I'm using a Linux laptop and I code for Windows to put food on the table, so I'm hardly a Mac apologist. That doesn't stop me from acknowledging that Macs are good value to a lot of people.

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macUser Member since:
2006-12-15

"So Apple is not in competition with Windows and every other PC manufacturer on the market?

Not really. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that that is a battle which they clearly lost back in the 1980s. With 3% market share or whatever, it's hard to really call them a competitor in the greater desktop market.

The Mac-owning community is a rather insular group. And thus the MacOSX market is a rather insular market. And that is where there is a burning need for competition in the hardware space.

That said, Apple knows that there's a sucker born every minute, and their Mac vs PC ads are intended to lure a few more suckers into their fold. To an extent, I supose that is "being in competition with windows". But the volume of converts is quite low. And it would be equally valid to consider it canvassing the crowd for well heeled patsies.
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Your argument is ridiculous and your ad hominem attacks against Mac users only reaffirms that fact. Whether you like to believe it or not, Apple competes against the "greater desktop market."

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middleware Member since:
2006-05-11

Your claim of "single-product market" has been dismissed by judge's order.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/18/judge_grants_apples_m...

You "fail to allege facts plausibly supporting the counterintuitive claim that Apple’s operating system is so unique that it suffers no actual or potential competitors."

Or if you still disagree this, you must think that Windows must release its kernel because there is a "Windows kernel market," or Intel must release its hyper-thread unit because there is a "hyper-thread unit market," and any video card vendor must not sale their card as a whole but must open its "graphics acceleration chip market." And all manufacture must split their product into piece and piece and eventually we will have a "pieces market."

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