Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Aug 2009 10:43 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE SUSE Linux used to be a very KDE-centric distribution. Then Novell came around, bought SUSE and Ximian, and slowely but surely they turned the now-openSUSE distribution into effectively a GNOME-centric distribution with KDE as its sidekick. The openSUSE community, however, doesn't appear to be particularly happy with KDE being a sidekick.
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Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

openSUSE != SLED.

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kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

True, but the marketing pitch for SLEx would be a lot harder:

"Use Gnome, our community distro on which SLEx is based uses KDE"


That said, I think Frank and Sebas are pushing this issue mostly for political reasons. It is kind of silly when KDE devs that are on Planet Ubuntu think they should tell the OpenSUSE community what to use as a default.

The major issue is that KDE has no big support from a major vendor. Canonical, Novell and Red Hat are Gnome shops at the end of the day. So a lot of KDE devs are searching for a distro. Kubuntu seemed to be the solution for some time, but now Aaron and a lot of other KDE devs left and use SUSE, but that isn't a real solution to the problem that there is no distro with a lot of devs that focuses on KDE. (I know about Pradus etc, but they don't have the devs like Novell, Red Hat or Canonical.)

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collinm Member since:
2005-07-15

novell support kde, they have some kde dev, you can install kde with sled

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KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

Every openSUSE x.1 version is practically the same as SLED x.0.
As long as Novell employs GNOME developers, what does openSUSE gain by not shipping it?

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Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

fedora != Redhat

but, we all know that in reaity it is used by redhat to test technologies in the real world before intergrating them into its flagship product. Stability in fedora is not as high a priority from Redhats perspective.

To seperate SLED and openSUSE would be equally misleading as to the real worl situation

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

openSUSE != SLED.

Well, in the same way that Fedora isn't RHEL, I suppose. But SLED is the raison d'être for OpenSUSE, no matter how much community participants may protest or deny that reality. It makes no sense for OpenSUSe to have a default desktop which is totally unsuitable for SLED.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

"openSUSE != SLED.

Well, in the same way that Fedora isn't RHEL, I suppose. But SLED is the raison d'être for OpenSUSE, no matter how much community participants may protest or deny that reality. It makes no sense for OpenSUSe to have a default desktop which is totally unsuitable for SLED.
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...and it makes no sense for SUSE to be centred around a desktop the community doesn't care about.

It goes both ways.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

But SLED is the raison d'être for OpenSUSE, no matter how much community participants may protest or deny that reality.

The problem for Novell there though is that SLED is insignificant junk. It's not doing anything that any other distribution isn't doing, there is no installed application base, there is no means of getting one, developing anything for it (a must in all those 'enterprise environments people bang on about) is a PITA and there is nothing there that is competing with what Windows or OS X is doing today and will do tomorrow. They've even managed to f--k up the sound stack right up to the desktop and applications like every other distributor. SLED, as it is today, is an insignificant joke like every other 'enterprise' desktop distribution.

It makes sense for your community participants to wake you up to that reality and let you know how people on the ground feel no matter how safe you might feel by declaring a 'default'. Hell, show us the users of SLED, because a damnsight more use OpenSuse I'll bet and they're the only ones saying anything.

It makes no sense for OpenSUSe to have a default desktop which is totally unsuitable for SLED.

Heh. Show us the applications. Show us the developer technology to produce those applications. Show us the resolution independence. Show us the features that will convince all those 'enterprise' users to use it rather than Windows or OS X. Those are the only things that matter if you actually want people to use your desktop.

People can bitch, scream and hide behind the words 'professional', 'usability' and 'accessibility' all they want but the current defaults just aren't getting the job done and what's 'unsuitable' obviously needs a reevaluation. That's the reality today.

Edited 2009-08-04 17:40 UTC

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

SLED ultimately provides the direction for OpenSuse (however you want to capitalise that), and what goes into it technology-wise.

Given that Novell's default desktop move a few years ago for SLED, and ultimately OpenSuse, has done zilch for Novell and has probably held them back, zilch for desktop Linux in general and has just labelled them as a Red Hat wannabe then it's a question certainly worth asking given OpenSuse's userbase. There's just no differentiator that will get people, and customers, interested over Red Hat or even Ubuntu. At a time when the haemorrhaging of Netware customers shows no signs of slowing they need to come up with differentiators that will get Windows Server admins interested and actually create a desktop Linux market.

There must also still be a fair few paying customers and a use for KDE at Novell because they still employ some pretty competent KDE people. The complete Gnome switchover at Novell doesn't appear to have happened how some people imagined it a few years ago. We just appear to have got complete stagnation.

Edited 2009-08-04 15:25 UTC

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kenji Member since:
2009-04-08

openSUSE != SLED.

No, they are quite similar. Not equal, but very much related.

"Personally, I think the openSUSE community should take all this a few steps further: ditch GNOME altogether. Forget about it. Stop wasting resources by trying to cover both desktop environments, and go 100% strictly KDE4, and build the best possible KDE experience in the distribution realm today."

Linux is about choice and removing the choice of desktop environments in openSUSE is just crazy. openSUSE may have more KDE users but I bet SLED is around 100% GNOME on desktop/workstation installs.

Actually openSUSE is already wasting developer time supporting KDE becasue Novell already has GNOME devs that do the work. Of course that statement is illogical, as was the one qouted above. Sometimes you have to fight bad logic with bad logic.

Also, Mandriva is considered by some to be the BEST KDE experience in all of linux land AND they manage to support GNOME very well.

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