Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 9th Aug 2009 20:49 UTC
Windows While the tech media are all busy praising Windows 7, the operating system still obviously does have issues, it being Windows and all. Because we are talking about Windows, and not, say Ubuntu or Mac OS X, it comes with one big downside that will mostly hit new users of Windows 7 (meaning, everyone): the incredibly complicated upgrade paths.
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"being windows and all"
by abdavidson on Mon 10th Aug 2009 02:11 UTC
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2005-07-06

While the tech media are all busy praising Windows 7, the operating system still obviously does have issues, it being Windows and all.

Pointless sniping in an article? Surely not.

Because we of course know that other operating systems have no issues, not being Windows and all.

I'm not even sure if you realise you're doing this; it seems so ingrained it's possibly even a subconscious response.

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RE: "being windows and all"
by darknexus on Mon 10th Aug 2009 02:20 in reply to ""being windows and all""
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2008-07-15

You kidding? Thom is, from what I've seen around here, the most vocal person on osnews who is "busy praising Windows 7" as he puts it. Calm down a bit there. No offense Thom, just the truth as I see it.

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RE: "being windows and all"
by lemur2 on Mon 10th Aug 2009 03:12 in reply to ""being windows and all""
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2007-02-17

While the tech media are all busy praising Windows 7, the operating system still obviously does have issues, it being Windows and all. Pointless sniping in an article? Surely not. Because we of course know that other operating systems have no issues, not being Windows and all. I'm not even sure if you realise you're doing this; it seems so ingrained it's possibly even a subconscious response.


There are undoubtedly a number of issues (from a user's perspective) that are in fact unique to Windows, viruses and malware perhaps being the most obvious of these.

The problem that was mentioned was the difficulty in upgrading Windows from one OS version to another, which is caused in large part by Windows itself, its use of the registry concept, and its basic paradigm that executables are copyrighted and yet still distributed as binary only (resulting in the need for backwards-compatibility at an ABI level), and the amount of version and license checking that is done on Windows.

The combination of these difficulties is also unique to Windows.

I cannot see any "pointless sniping" here at all. The sniping was entirely relevant to the discussion at hand.

Edited 2009-08-10 03:22 UTC

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RE[2]: "being windows and all"
by darknexus on Mon 10th Aug 2009 03:43 in reply to "RE: "being windows and all""
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2008-07-15

I don't particularly like the registry, but it hasn't been the main source of upgrade trouble for me. In general what has often happened is that certain system files either do not get replaced or get deleted without being replaced (possibly due to NT's file locking). The end result tends to be a system that is partly upgraded which makes very odd things happen. It happens less within the same NT major version, worse the further away the major version is from the one you're upgrading to. XP to Vista or 7, for example, does not generally work properly whereas Vista to 7 can work if you're careful and do it from safe mode or by booting off of the CD instead of trying to do it via the autorun from your desktop.

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RE[2]: "being windows and all"
by DrillSgt on Mon 10th Aug 2009 04:41 in reply to "RE: "being windows and all""
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2005-12-02

The problem that was mentioned was the difficulty in upgrading Windows from one OS version to another, which is caused in large part by Windows itself, its use of the registry concept, and its basic paradigm that executables are copyrighted and yet still distributed as binary only (resulting in the need for backwards-compatibility at an ABI level), and the amount of version and license checking that is done on Windows.

The combination of these difficulties is also unique to Windows.


You forgot to mention the inherent problems unique to Linux upgrades. How about running something like "apt-get dist upgrade" never working and deleting your system instead? That is a problem unique to some Linux distros. At least with windows upgrades work 99% of the time without hosing the system. Please get the facts. I am guessing you have not touched Windows for many years. Use the right tool for the job my friend.

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RE[2]: "being windows and all"
by MollyC on Mon 10th Aug 2009 18:20 in reply to "RE: "being windows and all""
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2006-07-04

There are also positive aspects that are "unique to Windows" too. Not that you'd ever acknowledge them.

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RE: "being windows and all"
by frajo on Mon 10th Aug 2009 08:01 in reply to ""being windows and all""
frajo Member since:
2007-06-29

Because we of course know that other operating systems have no issues, not being Windows and all.


Windows is unique because of its never ending history of hostile actions against OS/2 rsp. eComStation.
Of course, this doesn't bother the majority. Nevertheless, Linux folks should be careful who is hugging them.

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RE: "being windows and all"
by Eddyspeeder on Mon 10th Aug 2009 08:44 in reply to ""being windows and all""
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2006-05-10

Ugh you have *NO* idea where Thom stands right now, do ya? *sigh*

Thom actually will use Windows 7 'cause he's so enthousiasted about it & he finds Macintoshes depressing. It's just that he's being a realist too; any version of Windows has had its typical problems.

But it's funny, every time a new Windows release comes out, one is not allowed to have some skepsis (which is actually well-grounded based on prior experiences with any version of Windows that had just been released). Same thing happened with with Vista. Nobody was allowed to bad talk it because "that was the ultimate release to date" after so many years of development. But you should hear people moan about it now!

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