Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 9th Aug 2009 19:07 UTC
Earlier this month, we reported that Debian had announced a new release schedule; a freeze during December, a release some time in the first half of the following year. After outcries from the Debian community, the December freeze aspect of the plan was reversed. Since most of the ire about this situation seemed to be directed towards Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth decided to step in and offer to put several Canonical employees to work on Debian instead of Ubuntu.
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RE[3]: I doubt Debian will bite
by sbergman27 on Mon 10th Aug 2009 02:58
in reply to "RE[2]: I doubt Debian will bite"
Member since:2005-07-24
Perhaps I should have prefaced my comments a bit... I was restating the issues as I saw them in those threads, and from experience.
I misinterpreted what you said. I should have known better, based upon your previous posts. My Apologies.
I think Mark Shuttleworth is basically doing all he can to work with Debian, and doing his darndest to convince them of his sincerity.
Indeed.
Meanwhile, I think the Debian developers are being stupid if they can't see that someone who is willing to do a job they love for free, wouldn't be more willing to do the job they love for money. And they blame Shuttleworth for having the money to do so (and don't blame Red Hat, this I have also noticed).
Yep.
The commenter I was principally paraphrasing blamed Shuttleworth both for an exodus of Debian developers to the Ubuntu project, AND an influx of Debian developers FROM the Ubuntu project. Shuttleworth can't win.
So who will prevail in the Debian camp, I wonder? The hot heads? Or the cooler heads? To be sure, this should be good for some first rate knock-down, drag-out entertainment on Debian's mailing lists. (I wonder how many melodramatic resignations this one is good for?)
In the end, I suspect they will do what makes sense for everyone, even if some folks have to swallow their pride (or resign in an elaborate flourish!) before that happens.
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2005-08-28
Perhaps I should have prefaced my comments a bit... I was restating the issues as I saw them in those threads, and from experience. I think Mark Shuttleworth is basically doing all he can to work with Debian, and doing his darndest to convince them of his sincerity. I think it's a great idea, and I continue to try to wrap my head around why some Debian developers can't see it.
Meanwhile, I think the Debian developers are being stupid if they can't see that someone who is willing to do a job they love for free, wouldn't be more willing to do the job they love for money. And they blame Shuttleworth for having the money to do so (and don't blame Red Hat, this I have also noticed). Their own internal communications problems are no more important to the discussion than Ubuntu's alleged problems with reporting bugs upstream.
The commenter I was principally paraphrasing blamed Shuttleworth both for an exodus of Debian developers to the Ubuntu project, AND an influx of Debian developers FROM the Ubuntu project. Shuttleworth can't win.
And that's why I don't think he's going to. At least, not without strenuous objections from people like that. I'd love for this to work, but whenever I hear about Debian I invariably see comments with that level of vitrol, and I hear about projects stonewalled by those people. I'm sure I'm committing a fallacy of generalizing "some" to "all", but as I recall the attempt to set up a developer fund to pay to get the last release out, didn't work so well.
No, I was saying that Debian shouldn't make decisions based on politics, but that they would anyway. I hope you're right and I'm not.
Edited 2009-08-10 02:46 UTC