Linked by mufasa on Mon 10th Aug 2009 12:25 UTC
Web 2.0 The web browser has been the dominant thin client, now rich client, for almost two decades, but can it compete with a new thin client that makes better technical choices and avoids the glacial standards process? I don't think so, as the current web technology stack of HTML/Javascript/Flash has accumulated so many bad decisions over the years that it's ripe for a clean sheet redesign to wipe it out.
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Eddyspeeder
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2006-05-10

Okay let's bring this back to the topic of the originating article: the author suggests many changes at a higher level. My point simply is that if you want to "change", it would be best to just be radical about it.

Now why is it a hack? (Although, I must admit that "hack" was too strong a word. My apologies.) Let me illustrate this with yet another protocol example:

SMTP is the most common protocol for sending mail. It was never intended to be *the ultimate solution*, considering the fact that it was called "SIMPLE mail transfer protocol". All it does is move things around. The problem with that is its spam handling, which was not anticipated at the time. So we went and created workarounds.

Now I'm not saying the current (E)SMTP implementation is necessarily bad - it works, so we can live with it. But my point is, again, that if you want to turn things around, why not start at the root, which has been left unattended for way too long?

There is no doubt about it that the pioneers of the Internet would have done things differently. They were, however, limited by the technological advances and insights at that time. But why is it so weird to claim that what I see more like a "firmware update" would vastly improve the Internet as we now know it?

HTTP *works*. Otherwise the Internet would not have become what it is today. But I'm not for the "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" mentality. HTTP was not meant to do what it does today.

Besides, let's not only look at today. Let's consider what lies 10 years ahead of us. ZFS and other file systems are anticipating the increase of data load. Soon our Internet will be fast enough to not even need compressed video any longer. If OSes already have to turn their entire file system around, why should this not be necessary for the Internet? It will have its limitations in its current form.

I think the only reason why it has not been updated so far is because it will require everything and all to move on as backward compatibility would only add more problems over the solutions it would bring.

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Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

HTTP *works*. Otherwise the Internet would not have become what it is today. But I'm not for the "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" mentality. HTTP was not meant to do what it does today.


In what way? As you say, HTTP works. In what way is it deficient, that you see the need for a replacement? Why would anyone use your replacement, if HTTP works?

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coreyography Member since:
2009-03-06

I'm not so sure that Internet bandwidth will continue to increase, at least to the point that compression will not be required. The technology to do it will probably come about, but whether the economic incentives to do it will be present is something that is not clear to me. Otherwise, we would all have 100Mbps fiber run to our homes (and HDTV would really be HD instead of the overcompressed crap that it is ;)

This has been an interesting discussion nonetheless. I haven't done much web development, primarily because my targets are a small-single-digit number of OSes on machines that often have access to a central server, and native client development with dynamic languages and GUI toolkits has been easier to do in that environment than learning the web stuff. But I've seen some really nice web apps -- though they run far better on PC-like hardware than on mobile devices, where I think the real future of web development lies.

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Eddyspeeder Member since:
2006-05-10

I really like your angle on this, coreyography!

The economic (and municipal) limitations are highly relevant factors, and you're so right regarding the HD issue. Yet with among others VDSL (an improvement over ADSL using the same wires), we can already achieve much more.

Yes it *is* an interesting topic to wander off about. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it.

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